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Sunday, September 14, 2008 6:23 AM CDT
The problem with Palin and the elites
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The problem with Palin and the elites
By DENNIS CLAYSON
Democrats and liberals have a problem on their hands with Sarah Palin.
If she is seen as credible in the next several months, they will have to deal with her for at least 20 years. They must destroy her as fast as possible.
For those of you who are still on the fence in this election, sit back and watch the fireworks. As you observe the show, keep in mind that what you are watching is mostly fiction, but fiction with immense consequences.
Palin has the potential to change the political landscape of America in a fashion that has seldom been seen. She makes Obama's reason for being elected relatively, outside of ideology, irrelevant. She changes radically the position of Hillary Clinton. Her success would move the geographical center of political power away from the two coasts, and it would energize conservative politicians and causes.
If McCain wins, it is highly likely that the election of 2012 would be between two women. I have maintained for decades that the first female president of the United States would be a conservative. I would find out if I am correct.
Palin has the potential to unify much of the frustration that average people have had with the Washington power elite, with the press, with lawyers, with education bureaucrats and with a power structure that is all show for the public and all self-interest behind the curtains.
This woman MUST be taken out.
This will be a problem on two counts.
First, irrespective of the left's talk about the downtrodden and oppressed, liberals' relationship with most people is to save them, not to become one of them. They believe themselves to be smarter than you are, they went to better schools than you did, their opinions are more valuable than yours and their culture is superior to yours. They congregate into culture enclaves where they talk to each other, adore each other and generally ignore the rest of the world as much as possible. This is going to make it very difficult for the left to deal with Palin.
They will instinctively attack her on the wrong issues.
Second, whatever is put up against Palin will come back. Here's the problem. Being young is good, because McCain is old, but Palin being young is bad.
Not being part of the inside power structure is good because it gives Obama "fantastic powers of observation," but for Palin it magically becomes very bad.
Being an elitist is bad. Obama has tried his hardest not to be seen as an elitist, but not being part of the elite is bad for Palin.
Having little experience is OK because the experience you do have as a community organizer and a one-term senator is enough. Having little experience is very bad for Palin because being a mayor and the governor of a state is not enough.
Having small children is great if you are a male running for president with a working wife, but very bad if you are a female running for vice-resident with a working husband.
Having underrepresented groups gain the highest offices in the land is very good if you are Obama, but not good if you are Palin.
The Palin problem is that she is a female from the wrong class, from the wrong state and a graduate of the wrong schools. She is physically attractive in the wrong way, she dresses wrong, and she is not part of the correct power elite. Liberals, journalists and feminists instinctively don't like Palin or any other woman similar to her.
Since many will find her very attractive on a subconscious level, their dislike will intensify to hatred on a conscious level.
That is the problem.
Unless she goes off the tracks, she will attract the women the elites can't tolerate and look down upon. She will attract men of all classes who value real life more than ideology.
The Washington power structure, the media, the education elites and the feminists will not be able to control their disgust and will further alienate themselves from the mainstream.
Democrats, liberals and the media have only a few months to destroy this woman, or they better pray hard to Mother Earth that she makes a terrible mistake. Otherwise, for them it will be a very long 20 years ahead.
If she is seen as credible in the next several months, they will have to deal with her for at least 20 years. They must destroy her as fast as possible.
For those of you who are still on the fence in this election, sit back and watch the fireworks. As you observe the show, keep in mind that what you are watching is mostly fiction, but fiction with immense consequences.
Palin has the potential to change the political landscape of America in a fashion that has seldom been seen. She makes Obama's reason for being elected relatively, outside of ideology, irrelevant. She changes radically the position of Hillary Clinton. Her success would move the geographical center of political power away from the two coasts, and it would energize conservative politicians and causes.
If McCain wins, it is highly likely that the election of 2012 would be between two women. I have maintained for decades that the first female president of the United States would be a conservative. I would find out if I am correct.
Palin has the potential to unify much of the frustration that average people have had with the Washington power elite, with the press, with lawyers, with education bureaucrats and with a power structure that is all show for the public and all self-interest behind the curtains.
This woman MUST be taken out.
This will be a problem on two counts.
First, irrespective of the left's talk about the downtrodden and oppressed, liberals' relationship with most people is to save them, not to become one of them. They believe themselves to be smarter than you are, they went to better schools than you did, their opinions are more valuable than yours and their culture is superior to yours. They congregate into culture enclaves where they talk to each other, adore each other and generally ignore the rest of the world as much as possible. This is going to make it very difficult for the left to deal with Palin.
They will instinctively attack her on the wrong issues.
Second, whatever is put up against Palin will come back. Here's the problem. Being young is good, because McCain is old, but Palin being young is bad.
Not being part of the inside power structure is good because it gives Obama "fantastic powers of observation," but for Palin it magically becomes very bad.
Being an elitist is bad. Obama has tried his hardest not to be seen as an elitist, but not being part of the elite is bad for Palin.
Having little experience is OK because the experience you do have as a community organizer and a one-term senator is enough. Having little experience is very bad for Palin because being a mayor and the governor of a state is not enough.
Having small children is great if you are a male running for president with a working wife, but very bad if you are a female running for vice-resident with a working husband.
Having underrepresented groups gain the highest offices in the land is very good if you are Obama, but not good if you are Palin.
The Palin problem is that she is a female from the wrong class, from the wrong state and a graduate of the wrong schools. She is physically attractive in the wrong way, she dresses wrong, and she is not part of the correct power elite. Liberals, journalists and feminists instinctively don't like Palin or any other woman similar to her.
Since many will find her very attractive on a subconscious level, their dislike will intensify to hatred on a conscious level.
That is the problem.
Unless she goes off the tracks, she will attract the women the elites can't tolerate and look down upon. She will attract men of all classes who value real life more than ideology.
The Washington power structure, the media, the education elites and the feminists will not be able to control their disgust and will further alienate themselves from the mainstream.
Democrats, liberals and the media have only a few months to destroy this woman, or they better pray hard to Mother Earth that she makes a terrible mistake. Otherwise, for them it will be a very long 20 years ahead.
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JanInWloo wrote on Sep 14, 2008 1:34 PM:
" So what’s the matter with being elite?? If I go to a doctor, I want to go to the best doctor. It is great if in addition they have a good personality, but I’ll put up with a lot of “attitude” from a doctor who really is as good as he thinks he is. Being President and VP is important. We need them to have a combination of education and experience. Those are not jobs for someone we’d like to have a beer with or that reminds us of our neighbor. I’d like them to have knowledge of constitutional law, a keen interest in history and current events, experience with other cultures, experience with organizing people and working with others in government to get things done. And I want them to be really good at this. I want an elite team. "
hillaryc wrote on Sep 14, 2008 3:09 PM:
" everything Cross wrote can be described in one word
BALONEY "
BALONEY "
chester11 wrote on Sep 14, 2008 3:32 PM:
" Exactly, Jan.
But Clayson's probably trying to pin that stupid limousine liberal slur on Obama. Even though McCain's wife wears $300,000 ensembles to conventions.
It's a joke.
By the way, this whole thing about the opposition being afraid of Palin. Shooooot. I encourage her to get out there more, talk more, do more self PR. I can't wait, in fact. "
But Clayson's probably trying to pin that stupid limousine liberal slur on Obama. Even though McCain's wife wears $300,000 ensembles to conventions.
It's a joke.
By the way, this whole thing about the opposition being afraid of Palin. Shooooot. I encourage her to get out there more, talk more, do more self PR. I can't wait, in fact. "
thinkaboutit wrote on Sep 14, 2008 4:08 PM:
" Cross and Jan- I'm glad then that we agree we NEED to vote for McCain, because he is the only one with any 'REAL' political experience. Democrats seem to forget, BHO has NO real experience either. Kind of shooting yourelf in the foot with that arguement. Palin isn't running, and even if she was, she has more political clout than Obama. I think Obama's biggest mistake is fighting with Palin, the VP on the ticket. "And the Republican arguments to try to claim otherwise are self-evident baloney. Everyone knows it."- Really? I can then assume that you say the same about your messiah BHO? I like Palin because she isn't an washington insider, but knows how to balance a budget. Name calling really doesn't help anyone, and when you resort to name calling, I feel your probably running scared. Just an opinion. "
mister t wrote on Sep 14, 2008 5:52 PM:
" I don't know about the New Your Times ,but the New York Times is a liberal rag. "
chester11 wrote on Sep 14, 2008 6:10 PM:
" hillaryc wrote on Sep 14, 2008 3:09 PM:
" everything Cross wrote can be described in one word
BALONEY "
Well, at least you took the time to make a strong, convincing argument. "
" everything Cross wrote can be described in one word
BALONEY "
Well, at least you took the time to make a strong, convincing argument. "
JanInWloo wrote on Sep 14, 2008 6:36 PM:
" I agree that Obama has got to quit wasting his time slamming Palin since that is a trap. The relevant thing about Palin is what is says about McCain. That man is only thinking about getting elected. Palin is a perfect choice for that. She creates distractions that keeps the debate away from the issues, and the Republicans won't win if the debate is on the issues. "
shouldbemayor wrote on Sep 14, 2008 7:54 PM:
" Listen, politics aside, you have to admit she is smoking hot. Quit worrying about issues people, they don't matter anyway. We can ship millions and millions of dollars to help Georgia recover from a fight we are not in, but will fight to the death over medicare, social security and other issues that effect our own citizens.
Sarah Palin brings the exact same "maverick" to the office that Dick Cheney did. He shoots lawyers, she shoots moose. They both won't let laws or people get in their way. Plus she is hot. Why even have the election? Just give it to her and that old guy who is running with her. "
Sarah Palin brings the exact same "maverick" to the office that Dick Cheney did. He shoots lawyers, she shoots moose. They both won't let laws or people get in their way. Plus she is hot. Why even have the election? Just give it to her and that old guy who is running with her. "
jeroze wrote on Sep 14, 2008 10:37 PM:
" The choice of Sarah Palin has brought a new concern to this campaign for me, namely, the concern of Sarah Palin's views about how through politics and politicians the plan of God will be accomplished.
The news clip in which she is giving a speech about practicing her faith and in so doing performing the will of God makes me remember that our present president made similar remarks. My acquaintance of the Pentacostals and Fundamenalists is that it is very hard to convince them that other Christians also have another view that is Bible based and have a right to hold on to that view in this land of freedom.
President Bush assumed a posture of authority giving him the lisence to call something that he saw as posing a threat to America an "axis of evil". For Ronald Reagan it was an "evil empire".
In this religious posture America is cast as the Chosen Nation over which God is watching because of a belief that we are founded on Christian principles and we have a special favor in the plan of God.
The result is that the USA is viewed as a privileged nation with the right to do anything to promote our welfare no matter how much pain and suffering we cause to all that oppose us.
An illustration of a recent outcome of such thinking is the sermon by John Hagee which encourages the USA to do air strikes against Iran to usher in a war which he feels is predicted in the Bible and called Armegeddon. He further believes that this will bring about the Rapture in which the people of God will be removed from the earth swept up into heaven while the ungodly "unsaved" people will be left to experience the bloody war that will last for 1,000 years.
Another uneasiness is the tendency for this kind of religion to adopted the attitude that because we are God's Chosen People we can lie, torture, and disregard laws because "the end result justifies the means."
When I see the leadership of this nation with this kind of faith and action I hang my head in shame, not just because of the leadership, but because of the people who vote for such a theocratic leadership.
I don't want to destroy Sarah Palin but I do wish to tell you I am listening to her very carefully hoping that she is not going to adopt the Bush Doctrine and the arrogance of his kind of religion and patriotism. Here is a reported quote from a speach in a church meeting: " Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," "
The news clip in which she is giving a speech about practicing her faith and in so doing performing the will of God makes me remember that our present president made similar remarks. My acquaintance of the Pentacostals and Fundamenalists is that it is very hard to convince them that other Christians also have another view that is Bible based and have a right to hold on to that view in this land of freedom.
President Bush assumed a posture of authority giving him the lisence to call something that he saw as posing a threat to America an "axis of evil". For Ronald Reagan it was an "evil empire".
In this religious posture America is cast as the Chosen Nation over which God is watching because of a belief that we are founded on Christian principles and we have a special favor in the plan of God.
The result is that the USA is viewed as a privileged nation with the right to do anything to promote our welfare no matter how much pain and suffering we cause to all that oppose us.
An illustration of a recent outcome of such thinking is the sermon by John Hagee which encourages the USA to do air strikes against Iran to usher in a war which he feels is predicted in the Bible and called Armegeddon. He further believes that this will bring about the Rapture in which the people of God will be removed from the earth swept up into heaven while the ungodly "unsaved" people will be left to experience the bloody war that will last for 1,000 years.
Another uneasiness is the tendency for this kind of religion to adopted the attitude that because we are God's Chosen People we can lie, torture, and disregard laws because "the end result justifies the means."
When I see the leadership of this nation with this kind of faith and action I hang my head in shame, not just because of the leadership, but because of the people who vote for such a theocratic leadership.
I don't want to destroy Sarah Palin but I do wish to tell you I am listening to her very carefully hoping that she is not going to adopt the Bush Doctrine and the arrogance of his kind of religion and patriotism. Here is a reported quote from a speach in a church meeting: " Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," "
JanInWloo wrote on Sep 15, 2008 6:27 AM:
" Palin's "executive experience" largely consists of exposing corruption among folks whose job she wants, firing people from jobs and then filling them with her own cronies, using her position for personal paybacks and getting money for her town or state’s projects. She doesn't have any experience in working "across the aisle". This aren't skills and experience that will help McCain govern, unless he wants to run the country the way that Bush has and use Palin as a way to stir the pot.
We've got real problems, folks. We've got to quit treating this election like some kind of "reality TV". This is real life. "
We've got real problems, folks. We've got to quit treating this election like some kind of "reality TV". This is real life. "
coalplant wrote on Sep 15, 2008 6:58 AM:
" Jerry o wrote
I don't want to destroy Sarah Palin but I do wish to tell you I am listening to her very carefully hoping that she is not going to adopt the Bush Doctrine and the arrogance of his kind of religion and patriotism. Here is a reported quote from a speach in a church meeting: " Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," "
This quote kind of reminds me of when I heard Barack Obama discussing his muslim faith with George Stephanaupolis on ABC the other week.I mean what is he thinking proclaiming to be a christian and then telling George how his muslim faith influenced him.
Obama in 08
Organizing communites since 1992 "
I don't want to destroy Sarah Palin but I do wish to tell you I am listening to her very carefully hoping that she is not going to adopt the Bush Doctrine and the arrogance of his kind of religion and patriotism. Here is a reported quote from a speach in a church meeting: " Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," "
This quote kind of reminds me of when I heard Barack Obama discussing his muslim faith with George Stephanaupolis on ABC the other week.I mean what is he thinking proclaiming to be a christian and then telling George how his muslim faith influenced him.
Obama in 08
Organizing communites since 1992 "
Phil wrote on Sep 15, 2008 7:21 AM:
" Mr. Clayson is either doing what cross said and putting out the party talking points of the day, or demonstrating how clearly he is out of touch with what is going on in politics. Probably both.
First, his description of liberals is ridiculous, and actually describes the evangelicals that make up the core of the Republican party - the schools, the thinking they are better than you and can tell you what your morals should be, and the gathering into "conclaves" to discuss how Americans should be living their lives.
Second, no one on the so called "left" is knocking Palin because of her age, her children or their ages, her looks, how she dresses or the schools she attended. This is all garbage made up by right wingers like Clayson to create the impression that their candidate is a victim, when actually their candidate - Palin - has a number of skeletons in her closet that they don't want to have come out.
No, Palin is the anti-woman candidate dressed in women's clothes. She is a habitual liar about her record, a vindictive close-minded radical who doesn't even have the ability to practice in her own life the so called "values" she wishes to impose on the rest of us (see her 17 year old daughter for a prime example of this).
She is the ultimate reason why John McCain does not have the judgement, and now that we see his ads, the character to be president of the United States. "
First, his description of liberals is ridiculous, and actually describes the evangelicals that make up the core of the Republican party - the schools, the thinking they are better than you and can tell you what your morals should be, and the gathering into "conclaves" to discuss how Americans should be living their lives.
Second, no one on the so called "left" is knocking Palin because of her age, her children or their ages, her looks, how she dresses or the schools she attended. This is all garbage made up by right wingers like Clayson to create the impression that their candidate is a victim, when actually their candidate - Palin - has a number of skeletons in her closet that they don't want to have come out.
No, Palin is the anti-woman candidate dressed in women's clothes. She is a habitual liar about her record, a vindictive close-minded radical who doesn't even have the ability to practice in her own life the so called "values" she wishes to impose on the rest of us (see her 17 year old daughter for a prime example of this).
She is the ultimate reason why John McCain does not have the judgement, and now that we see his ads, the character to be president of the United States. "
xdfred wrote on Sep 15, 2008 8:21 AM:
" Phil, Cross. Go change your diapers. You two are scared, not of governor Palin, but of Barack Hussein Obama losing. You know zip about him, his shady past, his accomplishments (zero), but you still toe the party line about getting him elected no matter what. Face it. You characters can't touch her record. What's Obama got? Nothing. Biden? Even less. She's not a lawyer, and she's not beholden to anyone. The ruling elite in this country can't stand that. Where's Mr. change now? What's he going to change? Selecting Palin IS change. Real, positive change from the status quo ante. Get used to it. "
Phil wrote on Sep 15, 2008 9:40 AM:
" Selecting Palin isn't change - we already had one incompetent governor ruin our country and economy the past 8 years. It is more of the same - bad judgement by someone of dubious moral character - John "Bush" McCain. The shady character is the adultering, Keating 5 senator who flip-flops more than a fish in the bottom of a boat. "
jomo wrote on Sep 15, 2008 9:57 AM:
" What most liberals in the midwest don't realize is that both coast don't care what we think only when it comes during an election. The biggest comment I heard after Gov. Palin was chosen for VP was from Obama's camp that they did not think anyone who was the mayor of a town of 9000 could or should be a "heartbeat" from the presidency. What the, now that should infuriate anybody who comes from a small town. Also that shows the disconnect the Democrats and the liberals have from the Midwest. Only our faith and perserverence will get the right person(s) elected. "
xdfred wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:17 AM:
" Phil
wrote on Sep 15, 2008 9:40 AM:
" Selecting Palin isn't change..." Really? How is it not change vs. selecting a Washington good ol' boy insider like Biden? He's a fellow gun grabber to boot. Some change.
Governor Palin is a breath of fresh air compared to the two clowns on the DNC ticket.
Obama/Biden. All socialsim. All the time. "
wrote on Sep 15, 2008 9:40 AM:
" Selecting Palin isn't change..." Really? How is it not change vs. selecting a Washington good ol' boy insider like Biden? He's a fellow gun grabber to boot. Some change.
Governor Palin is a breath of fresh air compared to the two clowns on the DNC ticket.
Obama/Biden. All socialsim. All the time. "
KC wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:42 AM:
" jomo - it doesn't infuriate me! I don't think the mayor of Des Moines could do this job. Obama is right, Palin is woefully unexperienced, not only with her being the mayor, but being the governor of a very unpopulated state. "
cassie wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:43 AM:
" I absolutely agree with this listing.However I find it interesting that the liberal approach is like a child that when they don't get their way they pout.Should we not all be looking at issues that are of importance and not what a person looks like.The question has been posed so many times as to what real experience does Senator O'bama have without being answered it is disgusting, get it overwith answer the question.
Second, if we are concerned about judgement and decision making capabilities, Joe Biden himself addresses O'Bama's ability; "Hillary Clinton is probably better qualified than I am for V.P".
I personally see this comment for the Dems to be setting it up for Biden to step down either graciously or with some misterious illness and Hillary to come in. To late gang, this lady is qualified, experienced and ready to go.Start looking at who and what is right for this country and not makes you feel warm and cuddly. Politics is a dangerous and vicious game that is getting way ugly in the case of Sara Palin. "
Second, if we are concerned about judgement and decision making capabilities, Joe Biden himself addresses O'Bama's ability; "Hillary Clinton is probably better qualified than I am for V.P".
I personally see this comment for the Dems to be setting it up for Biden to step down either graciously or with some misterious illness and Hillary to come in. To late gang, this lady is qualified, experienced and ready to go.Start looking at who and what is right for this country and not makes you feel warm and cuddly. Politics is a dangerous and vicious game that is getting way ugly in the case of Sara Palin. "
john14541 wrote on Sep 15, 2008 11:00 AM:
" The Liberal blogs are as stale as cigarette smoke at Fro's Pub & Grub in Wilton. "
rj wrote on Sep 15, 2008 11:14 AM:
" The more the hens cluck, the higher she goes in the polls. Keep on cluckin'! "
DoesAnyoneCare wrote on Sep 15, 2008 11:29 AM:
" Look at the experience issue logicly...IF Palin ever ascended to the Presidency (A VP has not taken over for a dead president in over 45 years), she would have more White House experience then Obama, coming into the Presidency on Jan. 21st. McCain is not gong to die on the first day in office, Palin would have been envolved in the day to day operations of the administration, have a cabinet/advisors in place. Even though she comes from a low populus state, she has experience in administrative duties, at the State level, opposed to Obama who has had administrative duties on the community level, and 4 years in Washington (Where he has missed 45% of the votes, and spent much of his time campaigning for president). Can somebody please tell me what a community orginizer actually does? Do they put together block parties and fun runs? "
jeroze wrote on Sep 15, 2008 11:58 AM:
" Coalplant, let's hear more from you about Barack's Muslim faith. I have never heard him say anything about his Muslim faith influencing him.. How has it influenced his life? "
Leo46 wrote on Sep 15, 2008 12:18 PM:
" So Palin as a mayor and governor is not qualified to be VP but Obama as a community organizer and one term senator is qualified to be president? You have got to be kidding me. "
cross wrote on Sep 15, 2008 12:34 PM:
" Clayson commented on the necessity of excluding "elites" from the presidency. Apparently, good ol' boys are good enough.
I'm reminded of a story told by Ross Perot. A long time ago, he was appointed to head up a "Blue-Ribbon Commission" to study what was going wrong with primary and secondary education in Texas. (Apparently, Texans didn't mind that "Blue-Ribbon Commission" meant that their elites were being asked to study and make recommendations.)
Then, near the end of the study, Perot started to hear objections that the commission was trying to make the schools "too good." That is, he was trying to make all Texas graduates into "elites." (And that was the term that was actually used.)
Perot's response was, "Okay, let's not make the schools too good. Let's let anyone who wants to play football play the game at all of the schools. Just walk on and you're the starting quarterback. And, we'll also let anyone be cheerleaders. No more will only the beautifully girls will cheer. Even the most homely girl in school would be a cheerleader. I want to make academics as elite as we're trying to make football and cheerleading. So, if you want elite football and cheerleading then you can shut up about trying to put academics on the same level."
And, I've got another story for you. Clayson objected to candidates who are "smarter than you." Many years ago a guy was elected governor of Iowa who was something of an "ordinary Joe." In preparing to take the range of power, he was then seen to be scouring business and academia throughout Iowa and, sometimes, outside it, to find the smartest people he could to help him govern. Someone noticed this and asked him, "Why are you hiring all of those elites? They are all smarter that you are." The incoming governor's response was, "Why should I hire people as advisers who are no smarter than I am. They wouldn't do me much good as advisers then."
Objections to getting people into government who are "too smart" is the most mindless position anyone could take.
In selecting Palin, McCain selected someone who won't show up anyone on intelligence and skill. That is a bad, bad decision. "
I'm reminded of a story told by Ross Perot. A long time ago, he was appointed to head up a "Blue-Ribbon Commission" to study what was going wrong with primary and secondary education in Texas. (Apparently, Texans didn't mind that "Blue-Ribbon Commission" meant that their elites were being asked to study and make recommendations.)
Then, near the end of the study, Perot started to hear objections that the commission was trying to make the schools "too good." That is, he was trying to make all Texas graduates into "elites." (And that was the term that was actually used.)
Perot's response was, "Okay, let's not make the schools too good. Let's let anyone who wants to play football play the game at all of the schools. Just walk on and you're the starting quarterback. And, we'll also let anyone be cheerleaders. No more will only the beautifully girls will cheer. Even the most homely girl in school would be a cheerleader. I want to make academics as elite as we're trying to make football and cheerleading. So, if you want elite football and cheerleading then you can shut up about trying to put academics on the same level."
And, I've got another story for you. Clayson objected to candidates who are "smarter than you." Many years ago a guy was elected governor of Iowa who was something of an "ordinary Joe." In preparing to take the range of power, he was then seen to be scouring business and academia throughout Iowa and, sometimes, outside it, to find the smartest people he could to help him govern. Someone noticed this and asked him, "Why are you hiring all of those elites? They are all smarter that you are." The incoming governor's response was, "Why should I hire people as advisers who are no smarter than I am. They wouldn't do me much good as advisers then."
Objections to getting people into government who are "too smart" is the most mindless position anyone could take.
In selecting Palin, McCain selected someone who won't show up anyone on intelligence and skill. That is a bad, bad decision. "
cross1242 wrote on Sep 15, 2008 12:37 PM:
" "DoesAnyoneCare" @ Sep 15, 2008 11:29 AM said, "A VP has not taken over for a dead president in over 45 years."
And NOBODY age 72 or more has EVER started being president at that age. "
And NOBODY age 72 or more has EVER started being president at that age. "
Leo46 wrote on Sep 15, 2008 1:01 PM:
" Cross said " Clayson commented on the necessity of excluding "elites" from the presidency." where did Clayson say that? I can't find it. "
coalplant wrote on Sep 15, 2008 1:07 PM:
" Cross did you just say that Gov. Palin is to stupid to be VP of this country?
I mean you said she won't show up ANYONE on intelligence or skill. Do you feel this way because she is a woman or because she is conservative?
I think it shows an astounding lack of intelligence and a huge short coming in your real world interactions for you to make a statement that is a bald faced lie.
Your comments on this article have proven Mr Clayson's points beyond a shadow of a doubt.
No person worries about someone who is intelligent and accomplished in their field,, what people worry about are faux elitists like Cross, like Obama,like Biden,and most of our media. People who have accomplished nothing, but expect to be praised simply to assuage their massive egos.
Obama in 08
More experience than your next door neighbor, if your next door neighbor has never accomplished anything "
I mean you said she won't show up ANYONE on intelligence or skill. Do you feel this way because she is a woman or because she is conservative?
I think it shows an astounding lack of intelligence and a huge short coming in your real world interactions for you to make a statement that is a bald faced lie.
Your comments on this article have proven Mr Clayson's points beyond a shadow of a doubt.
No person worries about someone who is intelligent and accomplished in their field,, what people worry about are faux elitists like Cross, like Obama,like Biden,and most of our media. People who have accomplished nothing, but expect to be praised simply to assuage their massive egos.
Obama in 08
More experience than your next door neighbor, if your next door neighbor has never accomplished anything "
yermom wrote on Sep 15, 2008 1:21 PM:
" I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....
* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different."
* Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American story.
* If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
* Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.
* Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.
* If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.
* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.
* If you teach children about sexual predators, you are irresponsible and eroding the fiber of society.
* If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.
* If your wife is a Harvard graduate laywer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America 's.
* If you're husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that hates America and advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.
OK, much clearer now. "
* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different."
* Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American story.
* If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
* Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.
* Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.
* If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.
* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.
* If you teach children about sexual predators, you are irresponsible and eroding the fiber of society.
* If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.
* If your wife is a Harvard graduate laywer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America 's.
* If you're husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that hates America and advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.
OK, much clearer now. "
Steady wrote on Sep 15, 2008 1:27 PM:
" cross writes, "The fact is that Sarah Palin’s (BARRACK OBAMA'S) lack of qualifications is self-evident. And the Republican (DEMOCRATE) arguments to try to claim otherwise are self-evident baloney. Everyone knows it. The Republicans (DEMOCRATS)are willing to perpetrate a colossal lie in a long train of lies they are telling because they have got to win the election."
I went ahead and made the corrections for us all.
JanInWloo writes,"She doesn't have any experience in working "across the aisle"." Can you name how many times Obama or Biden have reached across the aisle? If you take a look at records, an honest look, McCain is the only one known for doing this. If this really mattered to you - you could not vote for an Obama/Biden ticket.
Phil says, Palin is..."a vindictive close-minded radical who doesn't even have the ability to practice in her own life the so called "values" she wishes to impose on the rest of us (see her 17 year old daughter for a prime example of this)."
For one Phil, toughts & beliefs in your own head do not make them factual. Secondly, I find it interesting Phil blames Palin for her daughters situation. I really would like someone to attempt to spell out how Palin's family situation is a negative thing.
Really it goes on and on with these posts against Palin. Could somone list "facts" (not beliefs or talking points) of the reasons why Palin is not a good VP choice? "
I went ahead and made the corrections for us all.
JanInWloo writes,"She doesn't have any experience in working "across the aisle"." Can you name how many times Obama or Biden have reached across the aisle? If you take a look at records, an honest look, McCain is the only one known for doing this. If this really mattered to you - you could not vote for an Obama/Biden ticket.
Phil says, Palin is..."a vindictive close-minded radical who doesn't even have the ability to practice in her own life the so called "values" she wishes to impose on the rest of us (see her 17 year old daughter for a prime example of this)."
For one Phil, toughts & beliefs in your own head do not make them factual. Secondly, I find it interesting Phil blames Palin for her daughters situation. I really would like someone to attempt to spell out how Palin's family situation is a negative thing.
Really it goes on and on with these posts against Palin. Could somone list "facts" (not beliefs or talking points) of the reasons why Palin is not a good VP choice? "
xdfred wrote on Sep 15, 2008 1:40 PM:
" "....In selecting Palin, McCain selected someone who won't show up anyone on intelligence and skill. That is a bad, bad decision...." There's that elitist snobbery so prevalent in the left wing. Just how in the world do you know how smart she is or isn't, genius?
Throw your little innuendos around. Make yourself look oh so smart and accomplished. Barack Hussein Obama does it all the time. But underneath, there's nothing. "
Throw your little innuendos around. Make yourself look oh so smart and accomplished. Barack Hussein Obama does it all the time. But underneath, there's nothing. "
Phil wrote on Sep 15, 2008 1:48 PM:
" Conservative posts here tout Obama's inexperience - of course McCain has no executive experience either. None.
Look at McCain's background. Brave man - yes, but.... Poor academic history, careless military history (and I mean BEFORE Vietnam - see how many of your tax dollars he wasted crashing airplanes), adultery, Keating 5, flip-flopper to the max.
So what do you have to go by? Judgement - and if it isn't as plain to see that McCain's judgement is very bad - Iraq, the economy, energy - everything he is for is what we have just lived through the past 8 years.
Palin is a Tool in a skirt - someone to fire up the base of right wing moralists. Put her before the American voters for 18 months of campaigning and putting forth ideas, etc. and let's see what America thinks of her knowledge and experience then. Based upon the interview she had with ABC's Charlie Gibson she appears to be in way over her head. "
Look at McCain's background. Brave man - yes, but.... Poor academic history, careless military history (and I mean BEFORE Vietnam - see how many of your tax dollars he wasted crashing airplanes), adultery, Keating 5, flip-flopper to the max.
So what do you have to go by? Judgement - and if it isn't as plain to see that McCain's judgement is very bad - Iraq, the economy, energy - everything he is for is what we have just lived through the past 8 years.
Palin is a Tool in a skirt - someone to fire up the base of right wing moralists. Put her before the American voters for 18 months of campaigning and putting forth ideas, etc. and let's see what America thinks of her knowledge and experience then. Based upon the interview she had with ABC's Charlie Gibson she appears to be in way over her head. "
DoesAnyoneCare wrote on Sep 15, 2008 3:27 PM:
" I won't harp on Obama's inexperience, I'll look at what he says, and what he wants to do.
He says he's the real candidate for change..
1)Voted 96% of the time with the democratic majority.
2) Missed 45% of the votes in his first and only term as senator.
3)Has run an extremely negative campaign (they both have).
Sounds like the usual Washington Politics.
Cut taxes for 95% of Americans who receive a paycheck, raise taxes on those making over $250,000. HMMMM. He says he will take a way the Bush tax cuts, and then initiate a tax cut. So he raises the taxes, and then cuts them again? Will congress actually approve his tax cuts? I mean they will be raising taxes on many of their campaign contributors. Most politicians don't bite the hand that feeds them.
Obama will raise taxes on the oil companies. Will these companies absorb these tax cuts, or pass on the increase cost of business on to the consumer?
Will increase taxes to those who take jobs over seas. Who pays for this tax increase? Again will the companies absorb these costs or pass them on to the consumer? I think we know the answer.
Universal Health care. Nice talking point, but will never happen. Who remembers Hillary sitting with Bill holding the universal healthcare card? The insurance and medical industry will never allow this to happen.
Lower tuition. He's never said how this will happen. Where will Universities, comm. colleges find the money to offset the losses of lower tuition? I would expect states to have to raise taxes to feed the universities of the money they will lose.
Insurance coverage for everyone. This will kill small business, layoffs and businesses closing will be the effect. Look at what has happened since the minimum wage increase.
As long as Obama focuses his campaign on McCain, he's going to keep falling in the polls. Everytime you hear something on a Obama/Biden appearence it usually about them attacking McCain. You don't get as much when you read about a McCain/Palin appearence. "
He says he's the real candidate for change..
1)Voted 96% of the time with the democratic majority.
2) Missed 45% of the votes in his first and only term as senator.
3)Has run an extremely negative campaign (they both have).
Sounds like the usual Washington Politics.
Cut taxes for 95% of Americans who receive a paycheck, raise taxes on those making over $250,000. HMMMM. He says he will take a way the Bush tax cuts, and then initiate a tax cut. So he raises the taxes, and then cuts them again? Will congress actually approve his tax cuts? I mean they will be raising taxes on many of their campaign contributors. Most politicians don't bite the hand that feeds them.
Obama will raise taxes on the oil companies. Will these companies absorb these tax cuts, or pass on the increase cost of business on to the consumer?
Will increase taxes to those who take jobs over seas. Who pays for this tax increase? Again will the companies absorb these costs or pass them on to the consumer? I think we know the answer.
Universal Health care. Nice talking point, but will never happen. Who remembers Hillary sitting with Bill holding the universal healthcare card? The insurance and medical industry will never allow this to happen.
Lower tuition. He's never said how this will happen. Where will Universities, comm. colleges find the money to offset the losses of lower tuition? I would expect states to have to raise taxes to feed the universities of the money they will lose.
Insurance coverage for everyone. This will kill small business, layoffs and businesses closing will be the effect. Look at what has happened since the minimum wage increase.
As long as Obama focuses his campaign on McCain, he's going to keep falling in the polls. Everytime you hear something on a Obama/Biden appearence it usually about them attacking McCain. You don't get as much when you read about a McCain/Palin appearence. "
xdfred wrote on Sep 15, 2008 4:21 PM:
" Keep trying Phil. So far it isn't working. If McCain, who I'm no big fan of, is such a flop, why is he still in the senate?
I really like the part about crashing airplanes. You make it sound like he was just flying around and hit a hill or power line. What have Obama or Biden ever flown besides a kite?
".....someone to fire up the base of right wing moralists..." And that she has done, like Barack Hussein Obama has fired up the moveon.org types, before turning on them. Only she didn't do it with empty rhetoric and spin. And she has no ties to terrorists, hate America preachers, or shady neighborhood front groups.
And she is a governor.
Keep trying, Phil. The desperation is showing. When's Biden getting dumped in favor of Hillary? That'll really make BHO look like a good decision maker, huh? "
I really like the part about crashing airplanes. You make it sound like he was just flying around and hit a hill or power line. What have Obama or Biden ever flown besides a kite?
".....someone to fire up the base of right wing moralists..." And that she has done, like Barack Hussein Obama has fired up the moveon.org types, before turning on them. Only she didn't do it with empty rhetoric and spin. And she has no ties to terrorists, hate America preachers, or shady neighborhood front groups.
And she is a governor.
Keep trying, Phil. The desperation is showing. When's Biden getting dumped in favor of Hillary? That'll really make BHO look like a good decision maker, huh? "
xdfred wrote on Sep 15, 2008 4:22 PM:
" "....If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer...." There's a glowing recommendation. "
Tulku2 wrote on Sep 15, 2008 5:49 PM:
" In your dreams. Only if we fall into the trap of talking about her if she mattered.
What i increasingly wonder in the dark night of my soul, is what people like you can be thinking?! Why would you want to live the next four years under a know-nothing president?! Why would you want that for your country? I just really do not get your motivation. Is it all about "sides" with you? You seem very small town yourself so maybe you like to think you could rule the world? Hmmm. You are a teacher there? Yikes. I'm sure parents will be glad to know you worked hard to keep their kids out of the company of nasty elites. LOL I don't think it is possible to talk someone like you out of anything. You don't admit to yourself why you can't vote for Obama. You will get what you deserve if McCain is elected. I am worried about the innocents. "
What i increasingly wonder in the dark night of my soul, is what people like you can be thinking?! Why would you want to live the next four years under a know-nothing president?! Why would you want that for your country? I just really do not get your motivation. Is it all about "sides" with you? You seem very small town yourself so maybe you like to think you could rule the world? Hmmm. You are a teacher there? Yikes. I'm sure parents will be glad to know you worked hard to keep their kids out of the company of nasty elites. LOL I don't think it is possible to talk someone like you out of anything. You don't admit to yourself why you can't vote for Obama. You will get what you deserve if McCain is elected. I am worried about the innocents. "
rooster wrote on Sep 15, 2008 8:45 PM:
" YERMOM, great cut and paste job! You lifted your post word for word from an email thats been circulating the internet. You and Biden have something in common - You both plagerize other peoples work. Try having an original thought. "
chester11 wrote on Sep 15, 2008 9:33 PM:
" xdfred wrote on Sep 15, 2008 4:21 PM:
" Keep trying Phil. So far it isn't working. If McCain, who I'm no big fan of, is such a flop, why is he still in the senate?
Obama is still in the Senate. Nice argument, Einstein.
I don't think Phil's desperate, Xdfred.
Sarah Palin is a joke. Seriously. She is totally unequipped to deal with the dire stuff going on in America right now.
Also..Doesanyonecare:
Here is both candidate's tax plans. Laid out. Both would agree with them.
What you're spouting are Rush Limbaugh type lies. Either that or you're monumentally uninformed and you think what you're saying is truth.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html
McCain/Palin lost any chance they had today. We need something different. Government has to be involved in these kind of messes. It's not socialism. It's realism. It's rationalism. Period.
You neocons have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Give it up. You had your chance and you blew it. "
" Keep trying Phil. So far it isn't working. If McCain, who I'm no big fan of, is such a flop, why is he still in the senate?
Obama is still in the Senate. Nice argument, Einstein.
I don't think Phil's desperate, Xdfred.
Sarah Palin is a joke. Seriously. She is totally unequipped to deal with the dire stuff going on in America right now.
Also..Doesanyonecare:
Here is both candidate's tax plans. Laid out. Both would agree with them.
What you're spouting are Rush Limbaugh type lies. Either that or you're monumentally uninformed and you think what you're saying is truth.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html
McCain/Palin lost any chance they had today. We need something different. Government has to be involved in these kind of messes. It's not socialism. It's realism. It's rationalism. Period.
You neocons have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Give it up. You had your chance and you blew it. "
chester11 wrote on Sep 15, 2008 9:52 PM:
" Doesanyonecare: I misread your post the first time. I just re-read it and it looks like you're on the right page with the tax cuts, at least in knowing what they are, not what they have the potential to do.
You say that there are so many potential pitfalls with Obama raising corporate taxes.
I can't possibly believe anyone would still argue in favor of jobs getting shipped overseas. Overtaxing them is possibly the only strategy to stop this unAmerican practice. More importantly though, we will get back to balancing the budget, the gap Bush widened so blatantly.
Our dollar is worth garbage. Using that money to pay down our debt is the best way to stimulate this economy.
Some of you are so tethered to this idea of trickle down economics but look at the shape of our markets right now.
The middle class needs more money in their pocket to spend, and if we get the dollar back to pre-2000 values, millions will have more spending power. Sure, some prices will go up, but so will our money's value. "
You say that there are so many potential pitfalls with Obama raising corporate taxes.
I can't possibly believe anyone would still argue in favor of jobs getting shipped overseas. Overtaxing them is possibly the only strategy to stop this unAmerican practice. More importantly though, we will get back to balancing the budget, the gap Bush widened so blatantly.
Our dollar is worth garbage. Using that money to pay down our debt is the best way to stimulate this economy.
Some of you are so tethered to this idea of trickle down economics but look at the shape of our markets right now.
The middle class needs more money in their pocket to spend, and if we get the dollar back to pre-2000 values, millions will have more spending power. Sure, some prices will go up, but so will our money's value. "
chester11 wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:37 PM:
" Whenever a new scandal involving the White House would surface or whenever, for whatever reason, I would think about the litany of past abuse, the one consolation I had was the thought that after eight years of the Bush administration the country would come together in solidarity and overwhelmingly elect a democratic candidate. I’m not a particularly moralistic person, at least not by the fake standards of the family values crowd, but the administration’s response to Katrina was the closest thing to a sin that I thought a government could commit. Not to mention the war, et cetera ad nauseam. I’m also not a particularly nationalistic person, but some of the posters here never fail to amaze me. Are you all just posturing blockheads who simply don’t grasp the situation? That doesn’t seem likely. I mean, don’t you have a scintilla of patriotic love that is affected by this stuff? Doesn’t your heart break a little when you read the morning paper and see what's going on with people under our national umbrella, all in the name of hardcore conservatism and so-called patriotism? Do you have no love for the founding document of your country? However deflationary the historically contingent content may be, they are still principles worth dying for. Or do you not give a slam about any of that if some guys you'll never, ever, ever meet get a 2,000 to 4,000 decrease in their annual taxes?
Clayson - you're a neocon stooge and I can't wait to watch you lose in November. "
Clayson - you're a neocon stooge and I can't wait to watch you lose in November. "
jeroze wrote on Sep 15, 2008 11:24 PM:
" Coalplant, you wrote "This quote kind of reminds me of when I heard Barack Obama discussing his muslim faith with George Stephanaupolis on ABC the other week.I mean what is he thinking proclaiming to be a christian and then telling George how his muslim faith influenced him."
You were commenting on the following quote from Palin's speech in a church which was reported as "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God,"
Just what in Palin's speech would remind you of the Senator's interview with Stephanaupholis.
I have just listened to an interview of Stephanaupholis with Barack which seems to fit your description in your blog of September 15, 6:58 P M. Obama makes mention of those who speak of him as a Muslim. Barack comments on those who speak of his Muslim faith. And then he sets the record straight by making it plain that those who speak of his Muslim faith are mistaken.
I fail to see how Palin's quote would remind you of Barack's interview.
Barack has never claimed to be Muslim that I know of and I have seen nothing in his speeches or in his life that would indicate he is a Muslim. Don't Muslims have to make a pilgrimage to Mecca, Don't they have to pray facing toward their sacred place three times a day? Don't they have to fast? Don't they have to recite their creed? Don't they have to practice fasting?
I see no reason to promote the myth of Barack being a Muslim, a myth that has been investigated and been proclaimed a falsehood. Do you really believe that myth coalplant? If you do then do you think Obama was subversive belonging to a congregation of the United Church of Christ? Would that also mean that he would not take Jeremiah Wright seriously when Wright vented his anger against the government mistreating the slaves in our early history, mistreating the Japanese citizens in America in the days of World War II, and also the government using black veterans as guinea pigs in a medical experiment.
Do you understand my confusion over your comment, coalplant? "
You were commenting on the following quote from Palin's speech in a church which was reported as "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God,"
Just what in Palin's speech would remind you of the Senator's interview with Stephanaupholis.
I have just listened to an interview of Stephanaupholis with Barack which seems to fit your description in your blog of September 15, 6:58 P M. Obama makes mention of those who speak of him as a Muslim. Barack comments on those who speak of his Muslim faith. And then he sets the record straight by making it plain that those who speak of his Muslim faith are mistaken.
I fail to see how Palin's quote would remind you of Barack's interview.
Barack has never claimed to be Muslim that I know of and I have seen nothing in his speeches or in his life that would indicate he is a Muslim. Don't Muslims have to make a pilgrimage to Mecca, Don't they have to pray facing toward their sacred place three times a day? Don't they have to fast? Don't they have to recite their creed? Don't they have to practice fasting?
I see no reason to promote the myth of Barack being a Muslim, a myth that has been investigated and been proclaimed a falsehood. Do you really believe that myth coalplant? If you do then do you think Obama was subversive belonging to a congregation of the United Church of Christ? Would that also mean that he would not take Jeremiah Wright seriously when Wright vented his anger against the government mistreating the slaves in our early history, mistreating the Japanese citizens in America in the days of World War II, and also the government using black veterans as guinea pigs in a medical experiment.
Do you understand my confusion over your comment, coalplant? "
coalplant wrote on Sep 16, 2008 7:07 AM:
" Jerryo
No Jerry what I did is take words out of context to spread fear about a religion and a candidates beliefs. It is a terrible,stupid,immature and totally horrible thing to do.All those things describe what you did to Gov Palins wonderful prayer.
Now go find Obama's wife so she can give you a hug
Obama in 08
Helping liberals,like Jerry O, spread lies hate and deceit against christians "
No Jerry what I did is take words out of context to spread fear about a religion and a candidates beliefs. It is a terrible,stupid,immature and totally horrible thing to do.All those things describe what you did to Gov Palins wonderful prayer.
Now go find Obama's wife so she can give you a hug
Obama in 08
Helping liberals,like Jerry O, spread lies hate and deceit against christians "
Steady wrote on Sep 16, 2008 8:17 AM:
" There has been so much talk about McCain's pick in Palin (still waiting for any facts to come forward about her), but not alot of talk about Obama's pick in Biden.
Does anyone find it curious why Obama would choose Biden when he believes (believed) so differently about the war? Heck, Biden and McCain supported some of the same things and stood on the senate floor together.
Obama was silly enough to say countries like Iran do not pose a real threat and you have Biden calling for military force to be put on the table and used in Darfur.
Everyone has been saying Biden was picked to help with Obama's weakest area - foriegn policy. Why would Obama then pick Biden for VP if he supported the war and was so wrong about it? "
Does anyone find it curious why Obama would choose Biden when he believes (believed) so differently about the war? Heck, Biden and McCain supported some of the same things and stood on the senate floor together.
Obama was silly enough to say countries like Iran do not pose a real threat and you have Biden calling for military force to be put on the table and used in Darfur.
Everyone has been saying Biden was picked to help with Obama's weakest area - foriegn policy. Why would Obama then pick Biden for VP if he supported the war and was so wrong about it? "
xdfred wrote on Sep 16, 2008 8:23 AM:
" chester11
wrote on Sep 15, 2008 9:33 PM:
" xdfred wrote on Sep 15, 2008 4:21 PM:
" Keep trying Phil. So far it isn't working. If McCain, who I'm no big fan of, is such a flop, why is he still in the senate?
Obama is still in the Senate. Nice argument, Einstein.
OK, genius, but maybe the fact that he hasn't had to run again yet might have something to do with that, huh? McCain has been reelected, what, 5 times? "
wrote on Sep 15, 2008 9:33 PM:
" xdfred wrote on Sep 15, 2008 4:21 PM:
" Keep trying Phil. So far it isn't working. If McCain, who I'm no big fan of, is such a flop, why is he still in the senate?
Obama is still in the Senate. Nice argument, Einstein.
OK, genius, but maybe the fact that he hasn't had to run again yet might have something to do with that, huh? McCain has been reelected, what, 5 times? "
xdfred wrote on Sep 16, 2008 8:25 AM:
" "...Sarah Palin is a joke. Seriously. She is totally unequipped to deal with the dire stuff going on in America right now...." Then you must agree Barack Hussein Obama is in an even worse position, given his resume compared to hers. BTW, she isn't running for president. McCain is. "
jomo wrote on Sep 16, 2008 9:42 AM:
" So you are saying that since I don't have a college degree I can't even think about elected office? What about us being equal and that. Sure someone who wants to go to college will get a degree, but I never wanted to go to college. My parents did not have enough money and since dad worked at Deere's I was not allowed any liberal grants or loans. The real problem is that the liberal's think they are better than everyone else and are not afraid to say it. It all comes down to feelings, and I have a really bad feeling about Obama. Anyone who wants to take away rights that were given to us in the Constitution is a bad person. The 2nd Amendment as interpreted by the liberal elite, requires that gun ownership is not my right. I don't belong to a malitia, but I would if Obama becomes president. What if I said you can't own a car because it would kill people? But oh wait it is not the car's fault it's the driver. US law has determined that. If we start taking rights away from the people(who are ulitmiately responsible) then what do we have. I quote a past world leader: "Today we have set a standard for the world to follow. We have made our streets safer and the police more diligent in there duties. By removing all gunownersip in our country, we will lead the world in the future." This was spoken by ADOLF HITLER in 1935 with the passage of the law repealing gunownership in Germany. Yeah I want Obama as President. NOT!!! "
cross wrote on Sep 16, 2008 10:56 AM:
" In my initial post, I decided that I would not specifically on Sarah Palin's lack of qualifications to be President. Instead, I chose to leave it at, "The fact is that Sarah Palin’s lack of qualifications is self-evident." I believe that to be true and still believe that's true.
Just as Prof. Clayson wrote three different hedging phrases in his column, he clearly knows that there is something wrong with Sarah Palin. And, despite the argle-bargling here about Obama's qualifications, I think they know what the problem is too. Furthermore, the willingness of those on the hard right to setup a situation where we have an (another?) incompetent as president is disgraceful.
The fact is that Palin was chosen solely to cement McCain's relationship with the religious hard-right. In that, the Republicans have been successful. But, I'd suggest that those who are so enthusiastic right now about McCain-Palin that they give consideration to the idea that maybe McCain is only pandering to them and have no intention of actually delivering on Palin's personal agenda. After all, the Republicans have been lying to their own supporters for eight years and not just the general public.
How do I know that?
Well, I know that because how else do you explain picking someone as VP whom they too must realize isn't competent to even advise a President McCain? Her purpose is solely to cement his base and once that is done, there will be no further use for her.
The lowest bottom line to this election is that Obama-Biden MUST be elected. The alternative would condemn all but the lucky few of this country to a Dickensian-like existence. It might not be achieved on the first day but surely will in a minimum of four years. What the Republicans and McCain-Palin represent is nothing less that feathering the next of their own economic community and cutting everyone else loose because it's "character building" to be on your own in difficult times.
Some here will respond, "See. See. Cross is just another angry liberal."
You bet I'm angry. I'm angry at a president and a party that conceals its malevolence in feigned patriotism. Under that circumstance, anger is righteous. If you're not angry too, than you don't understand what's going on. "
Just as Prof. Clayson wrote three different hedging phrases in his column, he clearly knows that there is something wrong with Sarah Palin. And, despite the argle-bargling here about Obama's qualifications, I think they know what the problem is too. Furthermore, the willingness of those on the hard right to setup a situation where we have an (another?) incompetent as president is disgraceful.
The fact is that Palin was chosen solely to cement McCain's relationship with the religious hard-right. In that, the Republicans have been successful. But, I'd suggest that those who are so enthusiastic right now about McCain-Palin that they give consideration to the idea that maybe McCain is only pandering to them and have no intention of actually delivering on Palin's personal agenda. After all, the Republicans have been lying to their own supporters for eight years and not just the general public.
How do I know that?
Well, I know that because how else do you explain picking someone as VP whom they too must realize isn't competent to even advise a President McCain? Her purpose is solely to cement his base and once that is done, there will be no further use for her.
The lowest bottom line to this election is that Obama-Biden MUST be elected. The alternative would condemn all but the lucky few of this country to a Dickensian-like existence. It might not be achieved on the first day but surely will in a minimum of four years. What the Republicans and McCain-Palin represent is nothing less that feathering the next of their own economic community and cutting everyone else loose because it's "character building" to be on your own in difficult times.
Some here will respond, "See. See. Cross is just another angry liberal."
You bet I'm angry. I'm angry at a president and a party that conceals its malevolence in feigned patriotism. Under that circumstance, anger is righteous. If you're not angry too, than you don't understand what's going on. "
justme wrote on Sep 16, 2008 12:01 PM:
" I can see Russia from my house. Wow that's brilliant statement from Palin. She is so clueless on every thing. When she was interviewed the other night by Charles Gibson and she couldn't even answer the questions because she didn't know what half the stuff was. He asked about Bush's doctrine and if she agreed with it. She had no clue what Bush's doctrine even is. She should go back to running for another beauty pagent because she isn't smart enough to be vice president and certainly not president. "
yermom wrote on Sep 16, 2008 12:18 PM:
" ROOSTER - Imagine that, a post circulating around the internet got posted on... the internet! "
xdfred wrote on Sep 16, 2008 2:37 PM:
" OK, justme or anybody else. Just what exactly is the Bush Doctrine? Where was it stated?
All Gibson's interview showed is how good an Obama supporter he is. He lost tons of credibilty on that one.
"...How do I know that?
Well, I know that because how else do you explain picking someone as VP whom they too must realize isn't competent to even advise a President McCain?..." What in the world do you know about competence, Cross? Especially in government. Typical elitist liberal snob. How competent is Barack Hussein Obama? All he's good for is reading off a teleprompter. OK, so you don't like her politics. You're a hardcore left winger. Why don't you just say that? Instead you throw out derogatory comments of incompetence with absolutely nothing to back them up. How does an incompetent person go from mayor to governor to VP candidate? Your desperation is incredible.
"....The lowest bottom line to this election is that Obama-Biden MUST be elected. The alternative would condemn all but the lucky few of this country to a Dickensian-like existence...." And you know this because? And in who's best intereset is it to impoverish anyone?
Keep trying. You aren't scaring anybody with your version of politics of fear. "
All Gibson's interview showed is how good an Obama supporter he is. He lost tons of credibilty on that one.
"...How do I know that?
Well, I know that because how else do you explain picking someone as VP whom they too must realize isn't competent to even advise a President McCain?..." What in the world do you know about competence, Cross? Especially in government. Typical elitist liberal snob. How competent is Barack Hussein Obama? All he's good for is reading off a teleprompter. OK, so you don't like her politics. You're a hardcore left winger. Why don't you just say that? Instead you throw out derogatory comments of incompetence with absolutely nothing to back them up. How does an incompetent person go from mayor to governor to VP candidate? Your desperation is incredible.
"....The lowest bottom line to this election is that Obama-Biden MUST be elected. The alternative would condemn all but the lucky few of this country to a Dickensian-like existence...." And you know this because? And in who's best intereset is it to impoverish anyone?
Keep trying. You aren't scaring anybody with your version of politics of fear. "
xdfred wrote on Sep 16, 2008 2:40 PM:
" "... I can see Russia from my house. Wow that's brilliant statement from Palin...." vs. Obama saying we have 57 states? Or Biden saying Obama's worthless during the primaries? "
conservativeme wrote on Sep 16, 2008 3:32 PM:
" You bet I'm angry. I'm angry at a president and a party that conceals its malevolence in feigned patriotism. Under that circumstance, anger is righteous. If you're not angry too, than you don't understand what's going on. "
Cross you have went beyond angry now to just plain sad........
Obama/Biden will sink this country. Period "
Cross you have went beyond angry now to just plain sad........
Obama/Biden will sink this country. Period "
rooster wrote on Sep 16, 2008 3:56 PM:
" yermom, You copied an email and represented it as your own work and all you can say is "Imagine that, a post circulating around the internet got posted on... the internet!"? Why am I not surprised you're a Democrat. Actually, I'm glad you're a Democrat. I encourage you to be very vocal about your support for Obama. "
jeroze wrote on Sep 16, 2008 5:41 PM:
" Coalplant, you are too subtle for me. And you are more informed than I am. I really don't know the context of Palin's remark. All I know is that she was speaking in a church rally. Now you leave me wondering what she really meant since I have taken it out of context. "
the_bat wrote on Sep 17, 2008 1:27 AM:
" Actually, I'd suggest that McCain's pick of Sarah Palin shows right there that he stands, as a strategist, head and shoulders above Barack Obama and, indeed, the entire self-anointed elite of the Democratic Party.
Watching the meltdown and stumbling, stuttering, yammering hypocrisy of Democrats and their talking heads while McCain gains steadily in the polls is just... well... amusing.
When they say they want "change" what they really mean is billions in tax increases as they take over more and more of the economy while more and more of America's citizenry become dependent on them for the very sustenance of life. From cradle to grave. They, in short, promise a course of action that will only reduce the world's major super power to something resembling a Third World country. But that will be okay, because they will be in control.
^o^
—And they call conservatives "fascists?" "
Watching the meltdown and stumbling, stuttering, yammering hypocrisy of Democrats and their talking heads while McCain gains steadily in the polls is just... well... amusing.
When they say they want "change" what they really mean is billions in tax increases as they take over more and more of the economy while more and more of America's citizenry become dependent on them for the very sustenance of life. From cradle to grave. They, in short, promise a course of action that will only reduce the world's major super power to something resembling a Third World country. But that will be okay, because they will be in control.
^o^
—And they call conservatives "fascists?" "
Phil wrote on Sep 17, 2008 7:38 AM:
" conservativeme says "Obama/Biden will sink this country. Period".
You are a little late, Bush/Cheney already have.
By the way, its too bad all you "free market" conservatives don't have your Social Security investments in the stock market right now. It would be even better if your retirement date were this Friday. You could be happily reporting to us how great that plan worked out. "
You are a little late, Bush/Cheney already have.
By the way, its too bad all you "free market" conservatives don't have your Social Security investments in the stock market right now. It would be even better if your retirement date were this Friday. You could be happily reporting to us how great that plan worked out. "
Phil wrote on Sep 17, 2008 8:04 AM:
" The more that comes out about Sarah Palin the more I find it really amazing that Mr. Clayson wrote this column. With her favorablity ratings dropping every day that Americans learn about her, she seems to represent many of the very qualities Mr. Clayson is against.
1. Income redistribution - Alaska takes from the oil companies millions a year. What does it do - give it to the (mostly Republican) population. Why not invest in business growth? Why not turn down federal dollars for projects (like bridges to nowhere) and use that money instead? Why? Because they are really just welfare queens in Republican clothing.
2. Elitism & cronyism - A tanning bed in the governor's mansion? Loyalty oaths - to a mayor? Hiring your childhood friend to a top agriculture position because of her "love of cows". Sounds like "heck-of-job Brownie" mentality all over again.
3. Big spender - as mayor went from zero debt to $20 million by the time she left office. Takes "expenses" allowed as governor even when she doesn't use them. Legal - yes, but would a budget conscious reforming "maverick" do this? No.
4. Government dependent - Alaska receives more federal tax dollars per citizen than any other state. What happened to self sufficiency and rugged individualism?
This would be hilarious if it weren't so very, very sad.
If McCain really believed in what his campaign signs said - Country First - he would quit right now because the only thing he is putting first is John McCain and other wealthy Republicans. "
1. Income redistribution - Alaska takes from the oil companies millions a year. What does it do - give it to the (mostly Republican) population. Why not invest in business growth? Why not turn down federal dollars for projects (like bridges to nowhere) and use that money instead? Why? Because they are really just welfare queens in Republican clothing.
2. Elitism & cronyism - A tanning bed in the governor's mansion? Loyalty oaths - to a mayor? Hiring your childhood friend to a top agriculture position because of her "love of cows". Sounds like "heck-of-job Brownie" mentality all over again.
3. Big spender - as mayor went from zero debt to $20 million by the time she left office. Takes "expenses" allowed as governor even when she doesn't use them. Legal - yes, but would a budget conscious reforming "maverick" do this? No.
4. Government dependent - Alaska receives more federal tax dollars per citizen than any other state. What happened to self sufficiency and rugged individualism?
This would be hilarious if it weren't so very, very sad.
If McCain really believed in what his campaign signs said - Country First - he would quit right now because the only thing he is putting first is John McCain and other wealthy Republicans. "
Steady wrote on Sep 17, 2008 8:08 AM:
" Phil, you show your inability to grasp finance with your "now" mentality. No matter what reliable source you look at, the social security system will begin running a deficit between 2017 & 2019. The republicans have been out in front on this, you may not aggree with some of their solutions, but at least they are wanting to plan for it. Unlike some liberals who use it as a scare tactic to our older generation and tell them republicans are going to take away their money. Guess what, the money will be leaving if you choose the option most liberals want - sitting on their hands.
No matter who is elected president, they better take this issue seriously and beging fixing it. This is an issue that cannot be corrected over night. "
No matter who is elected president, they better take this issue seriously and beging fixing it. This is an issue that cannot be corrected over night. "
xdfred wrote on Sep 17, 2008 8:40 AM:
" Phil
wrote on Sep 17, 2008 7:38 AM:
" conservativeme says "Obama/Biden will sink this country. Period".
"...You are a little late, Bush/Cheney already have..." He's right, Dr. Gloom and Doom
"...By the way, its too bad all you "free market" conservatives don't have your Social Security investments in the stock market right now. It would be even better if your retirement date were this Friday. You could be happily reporting to us how great that plan worked out...." I still wish I did. You know what's really good about a 401k or other privitized retirement account? You can roll it over into an annuity when market conditions are favorable, vs. when some government bureaucrat says so. And now is the time to buy. Prices are low. Yep, I'd do it in a heartbeat. "
wrote on Sep 17, 2008 7:38 AM:
" conservativeme says "Obama/Biden will sink this country. Period".
"...You are a little late, Bush/Cheney already have..." He's right, Dr. Gloom and Doom
"...By the way, its too bad all you "free market" conservatives don't have your Social Security investments in the stock market right now. It would be even better if your retirement date were this Friday. You could be happily reporting to us how great that plan worked out...." I still wish I did. You know what's really good about a 401k or other privitized retirement account? You can roll it over into an annuity when market conditions are favorable, vs. when some government bureaucrat says so. And now is the time to buy. Prices are low. Yep, I'd do it in a heartbeat. "
cross1242 wrote on Sep 17, 2008 10:35 AM:
" "the_bat" @ Sep 17, 2008 1:27 AM said, "what they really mean is billions in tax increases as they take over more and more of the economy."
Say, what?
Are you really claiming that the Democrats like to take over private businesses that are "to big to be allowed to fail"? Well, so far the Bush Administration has bailed out:
++ Bear Sterns
++ Fannie Mae (1 bail & 1 takeover)
++ Freddie Mac (1 bail & 1 takeover)
++ AIG
++ And others are lining up at the trough
And then there is poor Lehman Brothers, which was apparently picked as the sole company to really suffer the "moral consequences" of stupid investing.
And the reason for all of that is the Bush Administration's consistent Laissez Faire policy toward business. You know, all that stuff you hear on this site about the magic of the market place. In actual fact, it's another lie. What business wants is privatization of profit and socialization of the risk. We should also keep in mind all those on this site who are forever yammering about "socialism" at the first sign of government involvement with private business.
The lesson for everyone is that the Republican Party does a lot of saying one thing and doing another. And that's a good reason not to believe much of what McCain and Palin say about what they will do. "
Say, what?
Are you really claiming that the Democrats like to take over private businesses that are "to big to be allowed to fail"? Well, so far the Bush Administration has bailed out:
++ Bear Sterns
++ Fannie Mae (1 bail & 1 takeover)
++ Freddie Mac (1 bail & 1 takeover)
++ AIG
++ And others are lining up at the trough
And then there is poor Lehman Brothers, which was apparently picked as the sole company to really suffer the "moral consequences" of stupid investing.
And the reason for all of that is the Bush Administration's consistent Laissez Faire policy toward business. You know, all that stuff you hear on this site about the magic of the market place. In actual fact, it's another lie. What business wants is privatization of profit and socialization of the risk. We should also keep in mind all those on this site who are forever yammering about "socialism" at the first sign of government involvement with private business.
The lesson for everyone is that the Republican Party does a lot of saying one thing and doing another. And that's a good reason not to believe much of what McCain and Palin say about what they will do. "
xdfred wrote on Sep 17, 2008 10:40 AM:
" Phil:
"...With her favorablity ratings dropping every day that Americans..." Where do you get this tripe from? "
"...With her favorablity ratings dropping every day that Americans..." Where do you get this tripe from? "
xdfred wrote on Sep 17, 2008 10:53 AM:
" Phil
wrote on Sep 17, 2008 8:04 AM:
" The more that comes out about Sarah Palin the..." Keep trying Phil. Your little moveon.org talking points are bent and don't tell the whole story. Are you including road and transportation funds in bullet 4? Given the size of Alaska and the fact that there's a lot of infrastructure to support the energy industries vs. small population, yes, your per citizen point is correct. Is it bad? No. It makes sense.
And what's your problem with a tanning bed? Envy? If they bought a pool table, would that be a big deal, too? And one of the nice things about being governor is you can hire anyone to do certain jobs. This cow person, have they done a bad job? If not, why bring it up? Are you saying this person wasn't qualified? Prove it. Or are you just throwing stones. "
wrote on Sep 17, 2008 8:04 AM:
" The more that comes out about Sarah Palin the..." Keep trying Phil. Your little moveon.org talking points are bent and don't tell the whole story. Are you including road and transportation funds in bullet 4? Given the size of Alaska and the fact that there's a lot of infrastructure to support the energy industries vs. small population, yes, your per citizen point is correct. Is it bad? No. It makes sense.
And what's your problem with a tanning bed? Envy? If they bought a pool table, would that be a big deal, too? And one of the nice things about being governor is you can hire anyone to do certain jobs. This cow person, have they done a bad job? If not, why bring it up? Are you saying this person wasn't qualified? Prove it. Or are you just throwing stones. "
jeroze wrote on Sep 17, 2008 11:40 AM:
" Hey coalplant, I've been listening to some clips of Palin's Wasilla pastor. Is that a good context for understanding the quote from Sarah Palin? He sounds a little like the Palin quote. He also sounds a little bit like the late Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority Robertson's denunciation of America and that God punish us in 9/11 for our gay people.
I think I am getting a better picture of what makes Sarah Palin tick and as if Bush did not scare me enough for the last eight years...Well if Mc Cain- Palin ticket is successful, the American people will get the punishment they deserve. It will be probably be more of the recent events in American economy. "The chickens have come home to roost". Before you vote...Beware!!!!!!I think I have now heard enough to confirm my choice.
Remember the first six years of Bush, he had a ditto head Republican majority. Thankfully Mc Cain Palin will probably not have that.
O well, we all have to just Grin and Bear it... As the governor of Alaska would say, it is the Will of God. Or..
there is another choice, vote for those who take responsibility for the mistakes they make. "
I think I am getting a better picture of what makes Sarah Palin tick and as if Bush did not scare me enough for the last eight years...Well if Mc Cain- Palin ticket is successful, the American people will get the punishment they deserve. It will be probably be more of the recent events in American economy. "The chickens have come home to roost". Before you vote...Beware!!!!!!I think I have now heard enough to confirm my choice.
Remember the first six years of Bush, he had a ditto head Republican majority. Thankfully Mc Cain Palin will probably not have that.
O well, we all have to just Grin and Bear it... As the governor of Alaska would say, it is the Will of God. Or..
there is another choice, vote for those who take responsibility for the mistakes they make. "
xdfred wrote on Sep 17, 2008 3:33 PM:
" jeroze
wrote on Sep 17, 2008 11:40 AM:
"....vote for those who take responsibility for the mistakes they make..." And who would that be? Obama-Biden? What mistakes have they owned up to? It's pretty tough to make a mistake when you haven't done anything, isn't it?
Fake gloom and doom doesn't cut it anymore. "
wrote on Sep 17, 2008 11:40 AM:
"....vote for those who take responsibility for the mistakes they make..." And who would that be? Obama-Biden? What mistakes have they owned up to? It's pretty tough to make a mistake when you haven't done anything, isn't it?
Fake gloom and doom doesn't cut it anymore. "
Steady wrote on Sep 17, 2008 3:43 PM:
" Well for the first time someone attempts to list reasons why Palin is not a good VP choice. I have been waiting for a couple days and nobody has stepped up to provide any facts, just talking points. Phil has attempted to list some reasons to discredit Palin and even though most are still opinion based nobody else has brought facts.
Phil first makes a comment, "The more that comes out about Sarah Palin the more I find it really amazing that Mr. Clayson wrote this column. With her favorablity ratings dropping every day that Americans learn about her..." I understand that your favorability has dropped w/ Palin, but what poles can you site to prove this? Nationally poles show the election has gotten closer since the announcement of Palin and McCain pulling ahead in state by state polling. (I agree polls are polls, but the thought she has hurt doesn't carry weight).
Phil lists some of his issues:
1. He mentions Palin should be faulted for Income Redistribution, but does not give any references except the "bridge to nowhere". Did Palin approve of this initially, yes, but when the cost soared she killed the project. Palin did do the right thing here, not sure what Phil's point is. An interesting thing though, who voted in favor of this same bridge in the senate - Obama and Biden.
Phil also complained that Palin took money from the oil companies and gave it to the wealthy republicans. Really? Palin did put a 1.5 billion tax increase on oil production, which of course infuriated the oil companies. Palin did this because she believed oil companies were bribing legislators to keep taxes low. What happened to the money? Palin passed a “energy rebate” that gave $1,200 to each Alaskan from the state’s budget surplus. (I may not agree w/ it in theory because it could be seen as welfare, but clearly did not go out as Phil represented.)
2. Phil next goes down the road of trying to tag Palin w/ elitism & cronyism and lists a tanning bed in the governors manson. Phil you either know the answer to these issues and just try to spread lies or you truly are this misinformed. The tanning bed, yeah she has one and paid for it herself. Nice try, but why didn't you mention the jet and personal chef she got rid of when she took over?
3. Phil said Palin is a big spender and stated she created a 20 million dollar deficit when she left as mayor. Factually accurate, but why? The reason why is because that money went towards new roads and sewers that were needed for the citizens. That is called infrastructure and we should all hope that is where the majority of our taxes go. Why not talk about the fact she cut her own salary and REDUCED the property taxes by 40 percent?
4. Phil says that Palin should be critized for government dependency because Alaska ranks high in receiving federal dollars. Yes Alaska does, but why? Well, never minding it is the biggest state in the union, but the US government owns about 60 percent of it. (Enviromentalists should approve of this, right?) Alaska supports over 20,000 troops and has obligations to the indigenous Alaskans. Another state that ranks in the top 3 every year with Alaska is Virginia. Phil are you going to attack the democratic governor there? Thought not. Oh, I don't blame Virginia because like Alaska they have their reasons. One huge one is the economically depressed Appalachian region. "
Phil first makes a comment, "The more that comes out about Sarah Palin the more I find it really amazing that Mr. Clayson wrote this column. With her favorablity ratings dropping every day that Americans learn about her..." I understand that your favorability has dropped w/ Palin, but what poles can you site to prove this? Nationally poles show the election has gotten closer since the announcement of Palin and McCain pulling ahead in state by state polling. (I agree polls are polls, but the thought she has hurt doesn't carry weight).
Phil lists some of his issues:
1. He mentions Palin should be faulted for Income Redistribution, but does not give any references except the "bridge to nowhere". Did Palin approve of this initially, yes, but when the cost soared she killed the project. Palin did do the right thing here, not sure what Phil's point is. An interesting thing though, who voted in favor of this same bridge in the senate - Obama and Biden.
Phil also complained that Palin took money from the oil companies and gave it to the wealthy republicans. Really? Palin did put a 1.5 billion tax increase on oil production, which of course infuriated the oil companies. Palin did this because she believed oil companies were bribing legislators to keep taxes low. What happened to the money? Palin passed a “energy rebate” that gave $1,200 to each Alaskan from the state’s budget surplus. (I may not agree w/ it in theory because it could be seen as welfare, but clearly did not go out as Phil represented.)
2. Phil next goes down the road of trying to tag Palin w/ elitism & cronyism and lists a tanning bed in the governors manson. Phil you either know the answer to these issues and just try to spread lies or you truly are this misinformed. The tanning bed, yeah she has one and paid for it herself. Nice try, but why didn't you mention the jet and personal chef she got rid of when she took over?
3. Phil said Palin is a big spender and stated she created a 20 million dollar deficit when she left as mayor. Factually accurate, but why? The reason why is because that money went towards new roads and sewers that were needed for the citizens. That is called infrastructure and we should all hope that is where the majority of our taxes go. Why not talk about the fact she cut her own salary and REDUCED the property taxes by 40 percent?
4. Phil says that Palin should be critized for government dependency because Alaska ranks high in receiving federal dollars. Yes Alaska does, but why? Well, never minding it is the biggest state in the union, but the US government owns about 60 percent of it. (Enviromentalists should approve of this, right?) Alaska supports over 20,000 troops and has obligations to the indigenous Alaskans. Another state that ranks in the top 3 every year with Alaska is Virginia. Phil are you going to attack the democratic governor there? Thought not. Oh, I don't blame Virginia because like Alaska they have their reasons. One huge one is the economically depressed Appalachian region. "
taxpayer wrote on Sep 17, 2008 7:19 PM:
" I still can't believe the naiveness that is portrayed here. These offices along with the entire government of this country were bought years ago. Do any of you really believe these people govern? Do you really believe these people give a rats about any of you. Look in the mirror and say yes with a straight face. This isn't supposed to be about the GOP or Dems. This is supposed to be about the people, by the people and for the people and until that happens the idiocracy marches on. "
the_bat wrote on Sep 17, 2008 10:18 PM:
" When McCain and Palin are sworn in, I think the government should buy Sarah a tanning bed. Or, at least pay to have her one from home moved to the vice-president's residence. Kind of silly for her to have to spend her own money for that. Of course she'll no doubt refuse to accept, but if she can make even a bit of a dent in that corruption which in Washington, like she did in Alaska, we'd certainly owe her that much.
^o^
—Remember when Nancy Pelosi said the Democratic Congress back in '06 was going to be the most transparent and ethical Washington's ever seen? ... Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha... "
^o^
—Remember when Nancy Pelosi said the Democratic Congress back in '06 was going to be the most transparent and ethical Washington's ever seen? ... Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha... "
GODBODY wrote on Sep 17, 2008 11:36 PM:
" Classic neocon tactic, take your mind off the facts and create an "american hero". Just like they did with ronnie (truly unqualified) bush 1&2 and now the "maverick". If america voted W in for two terms after all his lies, anything is possible. Neocons destroying america from within, stealing one vote at a time! "
timbrackett wrote on Sep 18, 2008 3:11 AM:
" my observation of these comment sections over the past few months since i started commenting is that ideologues (especially from the right) ask for facts, facts are presented, a couple of days pass, then those ideologues who asked for the facts either don't reply anymore, suggest that those who disagree are children or child-like or they come up with a weak retort that the "facts" are merely opinion and therefore should be discounted.
so, i have a challenge. give me FACTS that show mccain will not be the same thing as bush and give me FACTS that show palin is a more qualified vp candidate than biden. no opinions or justifying political positions. i want facts! "
so, i have a challenge. give me FACTS that show mccain will not be the same thing as bush and give me FACTS that show palin is a more qualified vp candidate than biden. no opinions or justifying political positions. i want facts! "
MAC wrote on Sep 18, 2008 6:19 AM:
" I agree, Tim. Just the facts...and save the juvenile name-calling for the playground. (Sometimes, they remind me of high school cheerleaders.)
And if they discount anything quoted in print by calling the source a 'liberal rag', then let's hear it from the candidates' own position statements...or answers to the press' questions.
Oh yeah....they aren't doing that anymore. Answering questions, that is.
Unless they are screened. Nice. "
And if they discount anything quoted in print by calling the source a 'liberal rag', then let's hear it from the candidates' own position statements...or answers to the press' questions.
Oh yeah....they aren't doing that anymore. Answering questions, that is.
Unless they are screened. Nice. "
jeroze wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:07 AM:
" xdfred: About your question on which politician ever admits a mistake,Obama regrets that he made the house deal with Rezco. How is that for starters? In Wikipedia you can find the following quote:
"Rezko definitely did Obama a favor by selling him the 10-foot strip of land, making his own parcel less attractive for development."[35] Obama acknowledges that the exchange may have created the appearance of impropriety, and stated "I consider this a mistake on my part and I regret it."[33]
That answers your first question..now its up to you to decide if this is fair and balanced.
As to your second question...which includes the idea that politicians haven't done anything, to answer that would be admitting agreement with your what your questions implies. I am going to assume instead that you are being sarcastic and you don't really mean it. How is that for being fair and balanced?
As to the Fake Doom and Gloom comment, sorry, that leaves me entirely in the dark as to what you mean. Or are you on a new subject there about another blog? Are you talking about recent business news and your 401k or your mutual fund investments, or the housing market developments, or the world stock markets reaction, and are all these fake doom and gloom? What is the fair and balanced view on these?
And in answer to your other blog about Palin's fall in the polls, I believe CNN reported last night that her rating had a double digit fall since the first poll after the announcement of her "Messianic" choice for the Republican vice presidential nomination. Oh and by the way, there was also a report on A C 360 that Obama has gained 7 points since the hype of the republican campaign is over.
That is the report as I heard it. From that we both can decide what is really happening. This is fair and balanced . "
"Rezko definitely did Obama a favor by selling him the 10-foot strip of land, making his own parcel less attractive for development."[35] Obama acknowledges that the exchange may have created the appearance of impropriety, and stated "I consider this a mistake on my part and I regret it."[33]
That answers your first question..now its up to you to decide if this is fair and balanced.
As to your second question...which includes the idea that politicians haven't done anything, to answer that would be admitting agreement with your what your questions implies. I am going to assume instead that you are being sarcastic and you don't really mean it. How is that for being fair and balanced?
As to the Fake Doom and Gloom comment, sorry, that leaves me entirely in the dark as to what you mean. Or are you on a new subject there about another blog? Are you talking about recent business news and your 401k or your mutual fund investments, or the housing market developments, or the world stock markets reaction, and are all these fake doom and gloom? What is the fair and balanced view on these?
And in answer to your other blog about Palin's fall in the polls, I believe CNN reported last night that her rating had a double digit fall since the first poll after the announcement of her "Messianic" choice for the Republican vice presidential nomination. Oh and by the way, there was also a report on A C 360 that Obama has gained 7 points since the hype of the republican campaign is over.
That is the report as I heard it. From that we both can decide what is really happening. This is fair and balanced . "
DoesAnyoneCare wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:19 AM:
" Tim- I have no problem saying Biden is more experienced in Washington Politics then Palin. But I will also say if she does become president any time after Jan. 20, she will have more experience then Obama, being elected president, as she will have been involved with the day to day operations, have experience meeting with heads of states etc., and she will have some past executive experience.
I have voted democrat before, and I'm sure I will do it again, but I hate the campaign Obama is running. He says he will bring change, and that he will work with republicans. The record does not say that.
1. Both him and Biden have voted 96% of the time with their parties majority. Compared to the 88% that McCain does. Bush is a republican, McCain votes with his party much like Obama does, but at a lower rate.
2. In my opinion, Obama has run a more Washington Campaign then McCain. Everytime I hear something from Obama or Biden, be it from network TV, CNN, MSNBC, or FOX news they are not telling me how they will implemnt their stratagies, or what they have done. All I hear is my opponent did this, McCain said that, this is why my opponents plans won't work. While I hear that from McCain/Palin, it's not taken to the extreme, that Obama/Biden take it.
3. I fundamentaly don't think you can raise taxes on oil companies, and big buisness without them passing the cost on to consumers, cutting jobs/benefits, or moving jobs out of country.
4. I don't think even a democratic led congress will pass tax increases on those making over $250,000, at least not as much as Obama thinks. A lot of these individules are campaign contributers,and politicians don't bite the hand that feeds them.
5. Universal healthcare will never fly. Clinton tried it when he had a congressional majority, has failed miserably.
6. You don't pick a VP candidate who is more experienced than you, or is on record stating you don't have enough experience to be President.
7. His judgement. If he had picked Clinton to be his VP, the race would be over right now. His main campaign theme is we dont need four more years of Bush and Palin is inexperienced. While he needs to incorperate this into campaign, he also needs to highlight his policies, his strategy to implement his policies to the fore front, and he's not doing it. If he thinks a majority of Americans will vote for him on his good looks, and the fact he compares Bush and McCain, he is going to be mistaken come November.
8. I hate how his democratic supporters respond to every question with, Well McCain votes with Bush 90% of the time. We got the point the first thousand times you said it. I heard it again last night.
9. I do not like the fact that he used his time in the Senate to run for President. Not only does it not give Americans a record to reveiw, one can question if he took his time in the Senate seriously.
I realize most people on this blog are set in their ways, and will not be changing who they vote for no matter what anybody says, facts or not. But you got to admit it's fun debating this. "
I have voted democrat before, and I'm sure I will do it again, but I hate the campaign Obama is running. He says he will bring change, and that he will work with republicans. The record does not say that.
1. Both him and Biden have voted 96% of the time with their parties majority. Compared to the 88% that McCain does. Bush is a republican, McCain votes with his party much like Obama does, but at a lower rate.
2. In my opinion, Obama has run a more Washington Campaign then McCain. Everytime I hear something from Obama or Biden, be it from network TV, CNN, MSNBC, or FOX news they are not telling me how they will implemnt their stratagies, or what they have done. All I hear is my opponent did this, McCain said that, this is why my opponents plans won't work. While I hear that from McCain/Palin, it's not taken to the extreme, that Obama/Biden take it.
3. I fundamentaly don't think you can raise taxes on oil companies, and big buisness without them passing the cost on to consumers, cutting jobs/benefits, or moving jobs out of country.
4. I don't think even a democratic led congress will pass tax increases on those making over $250,000, at least not as much as Obama thinks. A lot of these individules are campaign contributers,and politicians don't bite the hand that feeds them.
5. Universal healthcare will never fly. Clinton tried it when he had a congressional majority, has failed miserably.
6. You don't pick a VP candidate who is more experienced than you, or is on record stating you don't have enough experience to be President.
7. His judgement. If he had picked Clinton to be his VP, the race would be over right now. His main campaign theme is we dont need four more years of Bush and Palin is inexperienced. While he needs to incorperate this into campaign, he also needs to highlight his policies, his strategy to implement his policies to the fore front, and he's not doing it. If he thinks a majority of Americans will vote for him on his good looks, and the fact he compares Bush and McCain, he is going to be mistaken come November.
8. I hate how his democratic supporters respond to every question with, Well McCain votes with Bush 90% of the time. We got the point the first thousand times you said it. I heard it again last night.
9. I do not like the fact that he used his time in the Senate to run for President. Not only does it not give Americans a record to reveiw, one can question if he took his time in the Senate seriously.
I realize most people on this blog are set in their ways, and will not be changing who they vote for no matter what anybody says, facts or not. But you got to admit it's fun debating this. "
Steady wrote on Sep 18, 2008 10:15 AM:
" So now we have timbrackett & MAC wanting facts, even though they yet to provide their own facts to prove their own position (which means they can't), but I'll play along.
It is interesting that timbrackett wants facts related why McCain will be different than Bush and how Palin is more qualified than Biden. I guess timbrackett you conceid that McCain is more qualified than Obama since you didn't want facts comparing the two actual presidential candidates.
Since timbrackett agrees McCain is more qualified than Obama, will McCain be different than Bush? Well, it depends on what issues you find important. I will list some differences and they not matter to either of you but I'm not in the mind reading game. Let me just preface these as well, if you are going to argue back - please bring your own facts.
McCain views Global Warming differently than most conservatives and President Bush. McCain believes in government solutions for the environment which is against the Bush administration. Actually McCain's plan calls for more reduction in emissions than Obama's plan. McCain has attacked the oil companies and stated they should be investing their obscene profits into alternate energy. This is cleary against the Bush administration is more along the line of the DNC - deciding how companies will spen their earnings.
McCain has regularly distanced himself from the go-it-alone mentality the Bush administration has been critized for.
McCain has broken with Bush on nuclear security policy. Unlike Bush, McCain supports a legally binding accord between the United States and Russia on limiting nuclear weapons, the elimination of tactical nuclear weapons in Europe, a strengthening of the Nonproliferation Treaty, increased financing for the International Atomic Energy Agency and nuclear talks with China.
McCain has supported imposing tighter rules than favored by the Bush administration on the use of interrogation techniques.
McCain does differ from Bush about the Iraq war and is vocal about his distaste for the war, and his belief that faulty intelligence got us into it. McCain was very vocal about the approach by the administration during and pushed for a different strategy. Agree with him or not, but he put his presidential hopes on the line when he called for more troops. You may disagree with his thinking, but he stood for what he believed in and cared more about the soldiers than a presidency.
McCain fought for campaign finance reform -- McCain-Feingold -- which Bush resisted and ultimately signed because he had no choice.
McCain favors FDA regulation of tobacco and sponsored legislation to that effect, a position opposed by Bush and most republicans.
McCain and Bush have differed on Patients Bill of Rights language for many years.
McCain has been known as one of the most outspoken opponents of congressional earmarks. In addition overspending by Democrats and Republicans in Congress has been a key point of McCain's criticism against Bush.
I suppose that is a good enough start. The other facts you wanted was the facts that Palin is more qualified than Biden. Again I find it interesting you didn't ask to compare McCain and Obama - anyway.
There are alot of experiences that Biden has had over his 36 years of being in the senate. Does that experience mean he is more qualified, depends if you agree with his positions. Palin's 12 years of elected office is certainly shy of Biden's 36. Palin's experience does come from an executive position and Biden's doesn't. Does that matter, yes, because executives are confronted with tough decisions and budgets, not just up-or-down votes.
So, timbrackett and MAC I challenge you to show us FACTUALLY why Obama is more qualified than McCain, since they are the two actually running for president, right? Just the facts now. "
It is interesting that timbrackett wants facts related why McCain will be different than Bush and how Palin is more qualified than Biden. I guess timbrackett you conceid that McCain is more qualified than Obama since you didn't want facts comparing the two actual presidential candidates.
Since timbrackett agrees McCain is more qualified than Obama, will McCain be different than Bush? Well, it depends on what issues you find important. I will list some differences and they not matter to either of you but I'm not in the mind reading game. Let me just preface these as well, if you are going to argue back - please bring your own facts.
McCain views Global Warming differently than most conservatives and President Bush. McCain believes in government solutions for the environment which is against the Bush administration. Actually McCain's plan calls for more reduction in emissions than Obama's plan. McCain has attacked the oil companies and stated they should be investing their obscene profits into alternate energy. This is cleary against the Bush administration is more along the line of the DNC - deciding how companies will spen their earnings.
McCain has regularly distanced himself from the go-it-alone mentality the Bush administration has been critized for.
McCain has broken with Bush on nuclear security policy. Unlike Bush, McCain supports a legally binding accord between the United States and Russia on limiting nuclear weapons, the elimination of tactical nuclear weapons in Europe, a strengthening of the Nonproliferation Treaty, increased financing for the International Atomic Energy Agency and nuclear talks with China.
McCain has supported imposing tighter rules than favored by the Bush administration on the use of interrogation techniques.
McCain does differ from Bush about the Iraq war and is vocal about his distaste for the war, and his belief that faulty intelligence got us into it. McCain was very vocal about the approach by the administration during and pushed for a different strategy. Agree with him or not, but he put his presidential hopes on the line when he called for more troops. You may disagree with his thinking, but he stood for what he believed in and cared more about the soldiers than a presidency.
McCain fought for campaign finance reform -- McCain-Feingold -- which Bush resisted and ultimately signed because he had no choice.
McCain favors FDA regulation of tobacco and sponsored legislation to that effect, a position opposed by Bush and most republicans.
McCain and Bush have differed on Patients Bill of Rights language for many years.
McCain has been known as one of the most outspoken opponents of congressional earmarks. In addition overspending by Democrats and Republicans in Congress has been a key point of McCain's criticism against Bush.
I suppose that is a good enough start. The other facts you wanted was the facts that Palin is more qualified than Biden. Again I find it interesting you didn't ask to compare McCain and Obama - anyway.
There are alot of experiences that Biden has had over his 36 years of being in the senate. Does that experience mean he is more qualified, depends if you agree with his positions. Palin's 12 years of elected office is certainly shy of Biden's 36. Palin's experience does come from an executive position and Biden's doesn't. Does that matter, yes, because executives are confronted with tough decisions and budgets, not just up-or-down votes.
So, timbrackett and MAC I challenge you to show us FACTUALLY why Obama is more qualified than McCain, since they are the two actually running for president, right? Just the facts now. "
cricket6670 wrote on Sep 18, 2008 12:08 PM:
" You are The Boss... which team would you hire?
With America facing historic debt, 2 wars, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, et cetera:
Educational Background:
Obama:
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cu m Laude
Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)
VERSUS
McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899
Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester; North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study; University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism; Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester; University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism
Now, which team are you going to hire?
Family Values
I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight:
ü If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different."
ü If you grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, you are a quintessential American story.
ü If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
ü If you name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.
ü Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
ü Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.
ü If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first Black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
ü If your total resume is: local weather lady, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.
ü If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
ü If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.
ü If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
ü If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system (and we all know what happened next), you're very responsible.
ü If your wife is a Harvard graduate laywer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.
ü If you're husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.
OK, much clearer now. "
With America facing historic debt, 2 wars, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, et cetera:
Educational Background:
Obama:
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cu m Laude
Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)
VERSUS
McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899
Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester; North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study; University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism; Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester; University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism
Now, which team are you going to hire?
Family Values
I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight:
ü If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different."
ü If you grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, you are a quintessential American story.
ü If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
ü If you name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.
ü Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
ü Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.
ü If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first Black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
ü If your total resume is: local weather lady, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.
ü If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
ü If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.
ü If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
ü If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system (and we all know what happened next), you're very responsible.
ü If your wife is a Harvard graduate laywer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.
ü If you're husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.
OK, much clearer now. "
xdfred wrote on Sep 18, 2008 12:08 PM:
" jeroze
wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:07 AM:
" xdfred: About your question on which politician ever admits a mistake,Obama regrets that he made the house deal with Rezco. How is that for starters? Lousy. I meant a mistake as a leader, in a leadership role, not uh oh, I'm busted in a dirty deal, so I'd better fess up.
"..As to your second question...which includes the idea that politicians haven't done anything, ... How is that for being fair and balanced?.." I meant these two politicians haven't done anything in a leadership role. Nothing. Nada. Zip.
"...As to the Fake Doom and Gloom..." That means there are plenty of posters like Phil saying that if McCain and Palin get elected, doom and gloom or some such will befall us. As to what's happening now, it is the result of government interference in the banking industry, as I have stated many times.
'...And in answer to your other blog about Palin's fall in the polls, I believe CNN reported last night that her rating had a double digit fall since the..." I honestly hadn't heard, but I do trust Rasmussen and Zogby more than I trust CNN. "
wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:07 AM:
" xdfred: About your question on which politician ever admits a mistake,Obama regrets that he made the house deal with Rezco. How is that for starters? Lousy. I meant a mistake as a leader, in a leadership role, not uh oh, I'm busted in a dirty deal, so I'd better fess up.
"..As to your second question...which includes the idea that politicians haven't done anything, ... How is that for being fair and balanced?.." I meant these two politicians haven't done anything in a leadership role. Nothing. Nada. Zip.
"...As to the Fake Doom and Gloom..." That means there are plenty of posters like Phil saying that if McCain and Palin get elected, doom and gloom or some such will befall us. As to what's happening now, it is the result of government interference in the banking industry, as I have stated many times.
'...And in answer to your other blog about Palin's fall in the polls, I believe CNN reported last night that her rating had a double digit fall since the..." I honestly hadn't heard, but I do trust Rasmussen and Zogby more than I trust CNN. "
jeroze wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:09 PM:
" Does Anyone Care: I think you are right when you blogged the following:
I realize most people on this blog are set in their ways, and will not be changing who they vote for no matter what anybody says, facts or not." "
I realize most people on this blog are set in their ways, and will not be changing who they vote for no matter what anybody says, facts or not." "
DoesAnyoneCare wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:15 PM:
" Cricket- Scroll up to September 15 @ 1:21 pm. Same post, almost word for word. What left wing, liberal web site did you guys get that from, or are you the same person that posted it then under the name yermom? Or did you both have the same original thought? "
jeroze wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:32 PM:
" DoesAnyoneCare: CNN's Jeffry Toobin would not endorse the idea that McCains ads are better than Obama ads. I feel Toobin is right when he says that McCain has given misinformation that is blatantly false and misleading.
I also feel that Obama is not living up to his promise to stay away from negative campaigning. Even though he has not attacked McCain for some of the obvious past flaws in his family life, Obama's latest attacks have been biting and personal attacks on McCain's campaigning.
Still on the whole the Obama campaigning has not been untruthful to the core as some of the McCain campaigning has been. John McCain either knows he is spreading information that is not true, or he is incompetent. I don't feel that way about Obama campaigning.
I am very disheartened that the campaign is turning so nasty and centers more on personalities than views on the issues and solutions to the problems. "
I also feel that Obama is not living up to his promise to stay away from negative campaigning. Even though he has not attacked McCain for some of the obvious past flaws in his family life, Obama's latest attacks have been biting and personal attacks on McCain's campaigning.
Still on the whole the Obama campaigning has not been untruthful to the core as some of the McCain campaigning has been. John McCain either knows he is spreading information that is not true, or he is incompetent. I don't feel that way about Obama campaigning.
I am very disheartened that the campaign is turning so nasty and centers more on personalities than views on the issues and solutions to the problems. "
Steady wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:59 PM:
" Hey, cricket6670, the next time you cut and paste you should remove the line breaks. Besides someone else used the same article in another blog. "
xdfred wrote on Sep 18, 2008 2:45 PM:
" cricket6670
wrote on Sep 18, 2008 12:08 PM:
".." You are The Boss... which team would you hire?.." Gee Cricket, another copy of the same post. How (un)original.
That post tells me Obama and Biden paid a ton for education and have done nothing with it. McCain flew a high performance aircraft in combat and governor Palin is, well, a governor.
Educational credentials are good, but for someone fresh out of school. Records are much much better.
Maybe Obama and Biden can get their money back? "
wrote on Sep 18, 2008 12:08 PM:
".." You are The Boss... which team would you hire?.." Gee Cricket, another copy of the same post. How (un)original.
That post tells me Obama and Biden paid a ton for education and have done nothing with it. McCain flew a high performance aircraft in combat and governor Palin is, well, a governor.
Educational credentials are good, but for someone fresh out of school. Records are much much better.
Maybe Obama and Biden can get their money back? "
cross1242 wrote on Sep 18, 2008 3:39 PM:
" Why I'm FOR Obama:
Most conversations about the presidential race relate to why the person is AGAINST one of the candidates. I'd like to talk a little about why I am FOR Obama.
First of all, my conclusion is that Obama is really, really smart. His education shows it. You don't get into the schools he's been to and graduate with honors if you're just an "average joe." Considering the issues that we have to face, I put a heavy premium on getting the smartest guy available into the job. Included in being smart is that he's a quick study too.
Second, he's not tied down by ideology. I'd suggest that more than anything else, the Bush Administration is tied to it's ideology. And, because they are, nothing that isn't within that ideology is even considered as a possible solution. I think that Obama would work like FDR: "here's the problem let's consider all possible solutions. We'll pick the best one. If that doesn't work, then we'll try something else.
Third, he's got the right balance of having learned the ropes in Washington without being locked in to Washington. So, the fact that he's a first-term senator is good.
Fourth, he attracts the best an brightest to work for him. He'd do that as President and we'd have a government by people are the best and brightest. No longer would government be a backwater for those who are either the pawns of special interests or who are just feathering their own nests.
Fifth, his election would give the United States back its moral credibility around the world and that will be crucial in ensuring peace.
Sixth, I agree with the policy positions he has taken. His approach on policy now shows that I'd probably approve of his policy on any new issues that come up during his term.
Seventh, he has great policy assistance from his VP choice. And, should Biden ever have to become president, I would be comfortable with him taking over.
Eighth, I think his election would go a long way to finally solve the race problem in this country. Whites would learn that they have nothing to fear from a black man as president. Blacks and other minorities would have a positive role model. (I admit that I have concerns should he lose and his loss is seen as due to his race.)
So, without going negative, those are my reasons FOR why we must elect Obama and Biden. "
Most conversations about the presidential race relate to why the person is AGAINST one of the candidates. I'd like to talk a little about why I am FOR Obama.
First of all, my conclusion is that Obama is really, really smart. His education shows it. You don't get into the schools he's been to and graduate with honors if you're just an "average joe." Considering the issues that we have to face, I put a heavy premium on getting the smartest guy available into the job. Included in being smart is that he's a quick study too.
Second, he's not tied down by ideology. I'd suggest that more than anything else, the Bush Administration is tied to it's ideology. And, because they are, nothing that isn't within that ideology is even considered as a possible solution. I think that Obama would work like FDR: "here's the problem let's consider all possible solutions. We'll pick the best one. If that doesn't work, then we'll try something else.
Third, he's got the right balance of having learned the ropes in Washington without being locked in to Washington. So, the fact that he's a first-term senator is good.
Fourth, he attracts the best an brightest to work for him. He'd do that as President and we'd have a government by people are the best and brightest. No longer would government be a backwater for those who are either the pawns of special interests or who are just feathering their own nests.
Fifth, his election would give the United States back its moral credibility around the world and that will be crucial in ensuring peace.
Sixth, I agree with the policy positions he has taken. His approach on policy now shows that I'd probably approve of his policy on any new issues that come up during his term.
Seventh, he has great policy assistance from his VP choice. And, should Biden ever have to become president, I would be comfortable with him taking over.
Eighth, I think his election would go a long way to finally solve the race problem in this country. Whites would learn that they have nothing to fear from a black man as president. Blacks and other minorities would have a positive role model. (I admit that I have concerns should he lose and his loss is seen as due to his race.)
So, without going negative, those are my reasons FOR why we must elect Obama and Biden. "
xdfred wrote on Sep 18, 2008 3:49 PM:
" jeroze
wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:32 PM:
" DoesAnyoneCare: CNN's Jeffry Toobin would not endorse the idea that McCains ads are better than Obama ads. I feel..." I am really, really glad you are expressing your feelings. And that you opine that senator McCain is incompetent. Solid. You ever fly anything even remotely resembling a high performance military aircraft? In combat? So he's probably not incompetent. So he's dishonest? He may be, but you claim he's dishonest because his campaign is spreading false information. Who is claiming his information is false? The Obama campaign. So therefore you must assume they are being honest. Would it ever occur to you that the Obama camp is being dishonest or incompetent?
What's the first thing Obama plans to do if elected as president? McCain already stated what he would do. "
wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:32 PM:
" DoesAnyoneCare: CNN's Jeffry Toobin would not endorse the idea that McCains ads are better than Obama ads. I feel..." I am really, really glad you are expressing your feelings. And that you opine that senator McCain is incompetent. Solid. You ever fly anything even remotely resembling a high performance military aircraft? In combat? So he's probably not incompetent. So he's dishonest? He may be, but you claim he's dishonest because his campaign is spreading false information. Who is claiming his information is false? The Obama campaign. So therefore you must assume they are being honest. Would it ever occur to you that the Obama camp is being dishonest or incompetent?
What's the first thing Obama plans to do if elected as president? McCain already stated what he would do. "
jeroze wrote on Sep 18, 2008 4:43 PM:
" yes, the cricket blog did repeat some of the yermon blog, but I notice the McCain rank in his class was not in the yermon blog. That was published somewhere before, and it fits in quite well with the altered e-circulation subject matter, and the crickett version did have a more direct focus of the purpose of the creative comparisons.
Maybe soon someone will add to it the McCain quote that we have been hearing this week. "The fundamentals of the economy are strong." vs. "we all have been feeling the effects of the policies of the .......".
Ah yes!!!, if someone doesn't know there's a problem when it's in the headlines of the newspapers, that probably wouldn't be the person I would hire to fix it. "
Maybe soon someone will add to it the McCain quote that we have been hearing this week. "The fundamentals of the economy are strong." vs. "we all have been feeling the effects of the policies of the .......".
Ah yes!!!, if someone doesn't know there's a problem when it's in the headlines of the newspapers, that probably wouldn't be the person I would hire to fix it. "
50674 wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:41 PM:
" What ... does it matter if so and so repeated whatshername? Most of you bloggers here are only interested in defamaing, denigrating and attempting to bully anyone and everyone who has indformation or opinions that differ with yours. What a joke you wannabe intellectuals are with your pseudo- debating skills and all either side does is plug away for their candidate. I'm definitely going back to the printed versions of the courier just to avoid this finger-pointing and name-calling. The only truth that was ever totally true on this thread is that no one is going to change anyone else's mind. So, hey insult away, I don't care and certainly won't be here reading your petty tripe. "
jeroze wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:59 PM:
" Xdfred, I wish you would explain to me why McCain is trying so hard to distance himself from Bush who also was a pilot in the National Guard. Did Bush's competency in flying a plane indicate how competent he would be in the White House? If so I don't think you have convinced me of the virtue of competency of McCain to be our president.
Now this week we ask if John McCain showed his competency by saying on Monday, 'The fundamentals of the economy are strong,'and on that same day his own ads were saying otherwise, while the business diasters news was competing with the political news for headlines.
I am not convinced that flying a fighter jet has much to do with competency qualifications for the White House unless of course you want to defend the competency of the last eight years of Bush and his ability to fly a jet....(and by the way, check out his auto biography, when they discontinued using the specific plane he was taught to fly, that was his reason for quitting the national guard service. I often wondered if he might have been retrained to fly another kind of plane, but I didn't know how to check that out.)
And anyone who didn't catch the utter ridiculous claim that Obama supported a bill to teach comprehensive sex education in kindergarten and that is the only thing he has done for education, when the bill reportedly did not pass and Obama did not sponsor the bill or co-sponsor it but voted only in favor of getting it out of committee, ..well really now Xdfred, do you want to argue that Obama would expect a kindergarten child to be taught everything there was to know about sex. Or does the McCain campaign have a different definition of comprehensive. McCain also promised to run a clean campaign by the way.
And who says that Obama is more trustworthy? His new ad does and gives the name of all the Newspaper who have support that version of the truth.
I have often been disappointed in Toobin for his remarks which I believe to be anti-Obama which seems to make that point that he supports Obama as being more trustworthy than McCain seem even more noteworthy.
I have a hard time understanding anyone who would argue that McCain is the most competent or most truthful. I would agree with the argument that he has had a few years more experience if I were a McCain supporter. But even that does not make him any better in leading our country than the golfer a better golfer because he has been playing golf for 60 years and claims he is the better golfer when what he really is doing is golfing every day to just practice his same old mistakes. He might come in 894th in a field of 899 golfers.
By the way, I have noticed that CNN is repeatedly calling into question the truthfulness of both candidates, and neither one is doing all that well according to their evaluations. In fact tonight it was pointed out that since the conventions Obama is accused of have 77% of his ads being negative. I think that they said McCain had 56% negative ads. The criteria for that report on negativism was that if you mention your opponent in the ad that makes it negative...
So who is most trustworthy.. I don't know.... depends pretty much on which criteria you choose to give priority I think. "
Now this week we ask if John McCain showed his competency by saying on Monday, 'The fundamentals of the economy are strong,'and on that same day his own ads were saying otherwise, while the business diasters news was competing with the political news for headlines.
I am not convinced that flying a fighter jet has much to do with competency qualifications for the White House unless of course you want to defend the competency of the last eight years of Bush and his ability to fly a jet....(and by the way, check out his auto biography, when they discontinued using the specific plane he was taught to fly, that was his reason for quitting the national guard service. I often wondered if he might have been retrained to fly another kind of plane, but I didn't know how to check that out.)
And anyone who didn't catch the utter ridiculous claim that Obama supported a bill to teach comprehensive sex education in kindergarten and that is the only thing he has done for education, when the bill reportedly did not pass and Obama did not sponsor the bill or co-sponsor it but voted only in favor of getting it out of committee, ..well really now Xdfred, do you want to argue that Obama would expect a kindergarten child to be taught everything there was to know about sex. Or does the McCain campaign have a different definition of comprehensive. McCain also promised to run a clean campaign by the way.
And who says that Obama is more trustworthy? His new ad does and gives the name of all the Newspaper who have support that version of the truth.
I have often been disappointed in Toobin for his remarks which I believe to be anti-Obama which seems to make that point that he supports Obama as being more trustworthy than McCain seem even more noteworthy.
I have a hard time understanding anyone who would argue that McCain is the most competent or most truthful. I would agree with the argument that he has had a few years more experience if I were a McCain supporter. But even that does not make him any better in leading our country than the golfer a better golfer because he has been playing golf for 60 years and claims he is the better golfer when what he really is doing is golfing every day to just practice his same old mistakes. He might come in 894th in a field of 899 golfers.
By the way, I have noticed that CNN is repeatedly calling into question the truthfulness of both candidates, and neither one is doing all that well according to their evaluations. In fact tonight it was pointed out that since the conventions Obama is accused of have 77% of his ads being negative. I think that they said McCain had 56% negative ads. The criteria for that report on negativism was that if you mention your opponent in the ad that makes it negative...
So who is most trustworthy.. I don't know.... depends pretty much on which criteria you choose to give priority I think. "
GODBODY wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:13 PM:
" Steady you still didn't answer cricket question, who's more qualified to bring our country out of this fiscal mess. Look at obam/bid's credentials vs maverick/reformer credentials. Neocon repubs are the magicians of politics. W was your rabbit out of the hat, two terms ...pretty smoooth. BTW, WMD's was that part of your magic show.The columnists and the bloggers that support mcpalin is like an audience at a magic show. You are fooled by the tricks of the magician and his lovely assistant. "
bob weave wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:40 PM:
" I'm continually amazed that intelligent people, time after time, vote against their economic interest. The Bush administration is leaving in it's wake a spending spree that makes the so called "Tax and Spend" Democrats look like paupers in comparison. Do you really want to see a continuation of this spending spree for another 4 years by a McCain pie-in-the-sky government? Don't waste your vote on these bankrupt liars who only protect and reward those who have shown they cant manage anything. "
Steady wrote on Sep 19, 2008 7:33 AM:
" Godbody, I believe I have consitently brought forward facts unlike you just did AGAIN by just speaking about magic shows.
You claim I did not answer cricket's question, ok, McCain will do a better job. cricket did not prove anything in his post that would lead us to believe Obama would be better suited. All cricket did is cut and past an article that listed Obama's qualifications and paired it up with negative things about McCain - not to hard or inspiring. "
You claim I did not answer cricket's question, ok, McCain will do a better job. cricket did not prove anything in his post that would lead us to believe Obama would be better suited. All cricket did is cut and past an article that listed Obama's qualifications and paired it up with negative things about McCain - not to hard or inspiring. "
jeroze wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:47 AM:
" This is an answer to a question that Xdfred asked, namely,
What's the first thing Obama plans to do if elected as president? McCain already stated what he would do. "
The first thing I expect Obama to do is write his own agenda that is not run by lobbyists.
The first thing I expect McCain to do is call a cabinet meeting which will probably be mostly lobbyists like most of the leaders of his campaign staff.
Just kidding, xdfred.
With crises coming every day, I would hesitate to say what will deserve priority in January 2009. "
What's the first thing Obama plans to do if elected as president? McCain already stated what he would do. "
The first thing I expect Obama to do is write his own agenda that is not run by lobbyists.
The first thing I expect McCain to do is call a cabinet meeting which will probably be mostly lobbyists like most of the leaders of his campaign staff.
Just kidding, xdfred.
With crises coming every day, I would hesitate to say what will deserve priority in January 2009. "
xdfred wrote on Sep 19, 2008 10:48 AM:
" jeroze
wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:59 PM:
" Xdfred, I wish you would explain to me why McCain ....If so I don't think you have convinced me of the virtue of competency of McCain to be our president." Are you confusing competence with not doing what you want him to do? And before you mentioned competence, you did not say competence to be in the whitehouse. Flying a fighter plane is a sign of competence.
President Bush has made many mistakes. The leftwingers are trying to say McCain will keep going on the same path. That's why McCain is distancing himself. I don't blame him.
What does your definition of competence have to do with any of this? Oh, I get it. This week's theme is to call McCain and Palin incompetent over and over again. "
wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:59 PM:
" Xdfred, I wish you would explain to me why McCain ....If so I don't think you have convinced me of the virtue of competency of McCain to be our president." Are you confusing competence with not doing what you want him to do? And before you mentioned competence, you did not say competence to be in the whitehouse. Flying a fighter plane is a sign of competence.
President Bush has made many mistakes. The leftwingers are trying to say McCain will keep going on the same path. That's why McCain is distancing himself. I don't blame him.
What does your definition of competence have to do with any of this? Oh, I get it. This week's theme is to call McCain and Palin incompetent over and over again. "
xdfred wrote on Sep 19, 2008 10:51 AM:
" jeroze
wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:47 AM:
" This is an answer to a question that Xdfred asked, namely,
What's the first thing Obama plans to do if elected as president? McCain already stated what he would do. "
The first thing I expect Obama to do is write his own agenda that is not run by lobbyists.
The first thing I expect McCain to do is call a cabinet meeting which will probably be mostly lobbyists like most of the leaders of his campaign staff.
Just kidding, xdfred.
With crises coming every day, I would hesitate to say what will deserve priority in January 2009. "
McCain created a list of what he plans to do as soon as he gets into office. All Obama has stated he would do to my knowledge is to push proabortion legislation. He stated this in a speech to NARAL. "
wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:47 AM:
" This is an answer to a question that Xdfred asked, namely,
What's the first thing Obama plans to do if elected as president? McCain already stated what he would do. "
The first thing I expect Obama to do is write his own agenda that is not run by lobbyists.
The first thing I expect McCain to do is call a cabinet meeting which will probably be mostly lobbyists like most of the leaders of his campaign staff.
Just kidding, xdfred.
With crises coming every day, I would hesitate to say what will deserve priority in January 2009. "
McCain created a list of what he plans to do as soon as he gets into office. All Obama has stated he would do to my knowledge is to push proabortion legislation. He stated this in a speech to NARAL. "
jeroze wrote on Sep 19, 2008 4:25 PM:
" Xdfred...Barack Obama has the Blueprint for Change which was published before Obama won the nomination for the Democratic Party. But the NARAL promise I do not is his first priority. Also I am thinking his position is not proabortion, it is anti-government involvement in something is the responsibility of a woman and her physician. I support that. I do not support abortion for either birth control or gender selection.
If you are interested in knowing the Barack Obama plan, please visit his website. Get it first hand and not through a McCain ad. "
If you are interested in knowing the Barack Obama plan, please visit his website. Get it first hand and not through a McCain ad. "
hetfield wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:14 PM:
" I love this article!!! Everything Clayson says is true, true in every sense! The left, the liberal do-nothings who think they run this country, the eastern nose-thumbers, the hollywood overrated, the chicago hit-run activists, all are running for the hills.
For some time now, if it rains and wasnt supposed to, these leftists have cried 'Bush!' from every mountain top, from every guilded lilly. Now, again, they find themselves losing what they thought was a sure shot at the presidency. This party, these people who talk great games, but then pocket the cash, is in complete disarray by what? By a female conservative governor! The socialist lovers and those who run the democratic party, and congress, are complete and utter yahoos!
While barack hussein obama is out there spreading racism and lies, the McCain/Palin ticket is getting stronger at every town hall meeting they have. While barack hussein obama is out doing nothing but trying to counter his own record, and lack thereof, McCain/Palin our hauling in Independents and disgruntled democrats. While barack hussein obama is trying to destroy Palin and her family by sending thugs up to Alaska to hack her personal records and dig up whatever he can find(proabbly make up some stuff too), Palin is holding her head high, influencing voters.
Liberals all over the country, and even among the bloggers here, are scared, disappointed, misguided and incapable of believing that a conservative woman could destroy any hope they had of turning this country into a socialist welfare state.
Now, I cant wait to read what the higher educated, the psuedo intellectuals, and self-promoting narcisists of the Cedar valley and beyond, tell us all how wrong they think I am.
Say No to Socialism, laughable policies like 'Fill up yer tires' or 'paying more taxes is patriotic,' and abortionists! Vote McCain/Palin! "
For some time now, if it rains and wasnt supposed to, these leftists have cried 'Bush!' from every mountain top, from every guilded lilly. Now, again, they find themselves losing what they thought was a sure shot at the presidency. This party, these people who talk great games, but then pocket the cash, is in complete disarray by what? By a female conservative governor! The socialist lovers and those who run the democratic party, and congress, are complete and utter yahoos!
While barack hussein obama is out there spreading racism and lies, the McCain/Palin ticket is getting stronger at every town hall meeting they have. While barack hussein obama is out doing nothing but trying to counter his own record, and lack thereof, McCain/Palin our hauling in Independents and disgruntled democrats. While barack hussein obama is trying to destroy Palin and her family by sending thugs up to Alaska to hack her personal records and dig up whatever he can find(proabbly make up some stuff too), Palin is holding her head high, influencing voters.
Liberals all over the country, and even among the bloggers here, are scared, disappointed, misguided and incapable of believing that a conservative woman could destroy any hope they had of turning this country into a socialist welfare state.
Now, I cant wait to read what the higher educated, the psuedo intellectuals, and self-promoting narcisists of the Cedar valley and beyond, tell us all how wrong they think I am.
Say No to Socialism, laughable policies like 'Fill up yer tires' or 'paying more taxes is patriotic,' and abortionists! Vote McCain/Palin! "
Phil wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:27 AM:
" I am afraid I have some bad news for Mr. Clayson, xdfred, hetfield and others - Bush and the Wall Street elitists have now made the USA a socialist nation. One trillion dollars to salvage the core of our "free market" system - Wall Street. WOW!
Guess that deregulation is a good thing.
I am sure Mr. Clayson will now write a lengthy column about how redistributing income from the pockets of some citizens (taxpayers like myself) to save the hind ends of conservative dead-enders who can't control their impulsive life styles (Wall Street brokers and CEO's) is a huge waste of money, ruins our system of capitalism, and causes many other evils.
While the previous paragraph is sarcasm, that is what has happened. It happened back in the 80's when the S&L bailout occurred (thanks to Ronny Reagan and John "Keating 5" McCain) and now thanks to Phil Gramm and John McCain we get to do it all over again.
Come on Mr. Clayson - tell us how this reverse Robin Hood situation - where we lowly servants have to pay to bail out the wealthy financiers - is so great now! "
Guess that deregulation is a good thing.
I am sure Mr. Clayson will now write a lengthy column about how redistributing income from the pockets of some citizens (taxpayers like myself) to save the hind ends of conservative dead-enders who can't control their impulsive life styles (Wall Street brokers and CEO's) is a huge waste of money, ruins our system of capitalism, and causes many other evils.
While the previous paragraph is sarcasm, that is what has happened. It happened back in the 80's when the S&L bailout occurred (thanks to Ronny Reagan and John "Keating 5" McCain) and now thanks to Phil Gramm and John McCain we get to do it all over again.
Come on Mr. Clayson - tell us how this reverse Robin Hood situation - where we lowly servants have to pay to bail out the wealthy financiers - is so great now! "
Phil wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:32 AM:
" hetfield - go back into your hiding place, I am afraid the world is passing you by. Gov. Palin's favorabilty ratings have dropped, the Republican administration has adopted socialism, Obama's poll numbers continue to climb, Palin now fights an investigation she said she supported (so she lied - nothing new there), and other than Rush Limbaugh and Bill-O, everyone knows Obama didn't send anyone to Alaska to check her out - but McCain did.
Take another sleeping pill and doze off for awhile again. "
Take another sleeping pill and doze off for awhile again. "
chester11 wrote on Sep 20, 2008 2:14 PM:
" I really think Hetfield has some deep seated problems. I don't know if there's much point in responding to him, Phil.
It used to be fun but..I don't know, man. That guy is a walking, talking stereotype. "
It used to be fun but..I don't know, man. That guy is a walking, talking stereotype. "
Panther88 wrote on Sep 21, 2008 2:24 AM:
" Why bother getting into these *Heated* debates. The democratic brainwashed are not going to change their minds no different then the Republican faithful are going to change theirs. You can come to a very simple conclusion that 2 of the 3 votes in my household alone are going to nullify chester11 and phil and the other vote will determine the next president.
So all your banter and worthless finger pointing gains you what? NOTHING my friend... NOTHING.
McCain-Palin 08 "The Only Choice" "
So all your banter and worthless finger pointing gains you what? NOTHING my friend... NOTHING.
McCain-Palin 08 "The Only Choice" "
chester11 wrote on Sep 21, 2008 11:13 AM:
" Panther88 wrote on Sep 21, 2008 2:24 AM:
" Why bother getting into these *Heated* debates. The democratic brainwashed are not going to change their minds no different then the Republican faithful are going to change theirs. You can come to a very simple conclusion that 2 of the 3 votes in my household alone are going to nullify chester11 and phil and the other vote will determine the next president.
So all your banter and worthless finger pointing gains you what? NOTHING my friend... NOTHING.
McCain-Palin 08 "The Only Choice" "
I answered you in another thread, dude. I won't copy and paste my answer all over but it's in the McCain/Palin economy one.
Plus, you kind of answered your questions here:
"...and the other vote will determine the next president." "
" Why bother getting into these *Heated* debates. The democratic brainwashed are not going to change their minds no different then the Republican faithful are going to change theirs. You can come to a very simple conclusion that 2 of the 3 votes in my household alone are going to nullify chester11 and phil and the other vote will determine the next president.
So all your banter and worthless finger pointing gains you what? NOTHING my friend... NOTHING.
McCain-Palin 08 "The Only Choice" "
I answered you in another thread, dude. I won't copy and paste my answer all over but it's in the McCain/Palin economy one.
Plus, you kind of answered your questions here:
"...and the other vote will determine the next president." "
hetfield wrote on Sep 21, 2008 12:14 PM:
" phil and chester are showing their true colors. spouting polls which are bogus,(bush was losing these same pools to gore, and look who won. now an african muslim is running. do you really think the racist liberals in the party will vote for him, regardless of what they say at their martini parties?) and lying that activist, chicago black panthers and ayers clan didnt hack into the governors personal emails.
and then of course their insults toward those they dont agree with continue. Why? because this IS liberalism. this is why the liberal congress's approval rating hovers at 10%. Bush even has a higher rating then pelosi, harken, barack hussein obama, clinton, and kennedy.
if the left had it their way, we would become a socialist marxist state where they would banish conservatives to siberia or death camps.
say no to the gulag and barack hussein obama! the unborn are counting on you! "
and then of course their insults toward those they dont agree with continue. Why? because this IS liberalism. this is why the liberal congress's approval rating hovers at 10%. Bush even has a higher rating then pelosi, harken, barack hussein obama, clinton, and kennedy.
if the left had it their way, we would become a socialist marxist state where they would banish conservatives to siberia or death camps.
say no to the gulag and barack hussein obama! the unborn are counting on you! "
chester11 wrote on Sep 21, 2008 12:54 PM:
" HAHA!
I'm actually starting to like you, Hetfield. You're so oblivious it's intriguing really.
As Seinfeld once said to Costanza -
"A regular psychiatrist couldn't even help you. You need to go to like Vienna or something. You know what I mean? You need to get involved at the University level. Like where Freud studied and have all those people looking at you and checking up on you. That's the kind of help you need. Not the once a week for eighty bucks. No. You need a team. A team of psychiatrists working round the clock thinking about you, having conferences, observing you, like the way they did with the Elephant Man "
I'm actually starting to like you, Hetfield. You're so oblivious it's intriguing really.
As Seinfeld once said to Costanza -
"A regular psychiatrist couldn't even help you. You need to go to like Vienna or something. You know what I mean? You need to get involved at the University level. Like where Freud studied and have all those people looking at you and checking up on you. That's the kind of help you need. Not the once a week for eighty bucks. No. You need a team. A team of psychiatrists working round the clock thinking about you, having conferences, observing you, like the way they did with the Elephant Man "
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cross wrote on Sep 14, 2008 1:24 PM:
To the careful reader, Prof. Clayson, himself, provides us with a clue as to what’s wrong with Sarah Palin. In his second paragraph, Clayson says, “If she is seen as credible….” In the third paragraph from the end, he says, “Unless she goes off the tracks.” And, in his final paragraph, he says, “…they better pray hard to Mother Earth that she makes a terrible mistake.” So, while Clayson tries hard to make it seem that it is the Democrats who are trying to destroy Palin, it would seem that Prof. Clayson has his own doubts about Palin’s qualifications to serve.
And, all the Republicans ask in their felt desire to control politics for the next 20 years is that we all shoot craps with them that Palin won’t be forced to assume the presidency before they have trained her in on the job. And we, the ordinary citizens, better pray that they do try to train her in rather than assign her to the VP’s foremost duty: attending funerals. If they do that, then McCain has to live to be 76 or 80.
To the hard-right Republicans, Sarah Palin seems to be the fulfillment of a dream. For eight years they have seen their desire to turn the country into a Dickensian nightmare slowly turn to dust under W. Now, Palin enters, stage far right, and they think that they are going to be rescued from the nightmare that their goal is doomed. Under that circumstance, anyone would be enthusiastic. But, their current enthusiasm doesn’t mean that their dream still won’t (and should) turn to dust.
The fact is that Sarah Palin’s lack of qualifications is self-evident. And the Republican arguments to try to claim otherwise are self-evident baloney. Everyone knows it. The Republicans are willing to perpetrate a colossal lie in a long train of lies they are telling because they have got to win the election. And some people are willing to buy that lie because, to them, she is right on the only issues that count to them: abortion and gay rights. Such people are dangerous. They are willing to chance unknown dangers to our Republic just on the hope that they will get satisfaction on the only issue they care about.
Prof. Clayson claims that “they” are trying to destroy her.
Who are “they”?
It’s the elitists, the grads or eastern schools, the smart, the folks who can’t deal with an attractive woman, the Democrats, and any of who knows how many others Prof. Clayon fanaticizes are opposed to his ideas. Of course, there is the possibility that they are just trying to point out the self-evident to those who have difficulty discerning what is self-evident. And, maybe those same people are unwilling to play the craps game that the Republicans will get her fully trained-in before she has to assume the Presidency.
And what are we going to get from Sarah Palin should the Republicans manage to foist her on us?
Well, hopefully, it will just be four years of having the country represented by an attractive emissary at the state funerals around the world. But, if the worst happens, we are going to get someone who is totally clueless as President. Just today, in a nationally copyrighted story, the New Your Times (spare me the claims that it’s a liberal rag) published a story of their investigation of her administration as mayor and governor. The most consistent pattern in her administrations is her willingness to use her offices to deliver payback to those who she believes have crossed her. And that is the very worst that politics can offer us. "